Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
What do you think a "ransom" is? What necessitates a "ransom?"
Anthropomorphism. God is unchanging. So, either He always send love or wrath, not both. Our perceptions change depending on our spiritual state.
Scripture says that the Holy Spirit is grieved by our sin
Anthropomorphism. The Holy Spirit is not subject to passions.
Christ Himself took our punishment by suffocating on a cross with spikes driven through his body
In His human nature.
And God isn't hurt by our sin?
No, He is not. We are.
Thanks, Dahlseide. Calvin comes through again. 8~)
I don't think what it is, I know what ransom is.
What necessitates a "ransom?"
Nothing.
An what is a saint in your book?
Amen. Because it comes from God. "For I know whom I have believed."
Why does having a personality with attributes imply that he is changing?
Kosta, you are astounding me tonight with your rejection of the abundantly clear record of Scripture. The things you reject are explicitly stated in Scripture. Your argument is with God, not with us.
Lastly, wasn't it you who accused me of Nestorianism because somehow you construed that I said a nature was crucified not a person? It seems that it was. Perhaps not. But if not, your orthodox brethren might beg to differ with some of your commentary tonight.
I don't mean to be sarcastic or malicious here, Kosta, but you have posted so many things I never would have imagined a Christian would believe. Just recently when asked if God is grieved by our sins, you said "no." You deny our sin necessitated redress by Christ and you appear skeptical of the "ransom" Christ has paid for us. And those are remarks just made within the past few minutes.
I think you might benefit by spending some time with my Scripture generator.
Even the random one.
Excellent for a first installment of the discussion..
You went right to the "point"..
GOD(Father, Son, Holy Spirit) seems to be not one Spirit at all but three personalitys/entitys..
Could be that "GOD" could be even more Spirits we just don't know about them all..
Whatever is; Is.. If theres only three thats cool too.. A spiritual Universe or a Universe of spirits is inconcieveable to most people I know.. Or a Universe where physical bodys are an after thought and not really needed..
Mankind anthropomorphizing God seem to tend to do it with the human body as some kind of model.. But then most people I know think they themselves are a human body.. NOT a spirit inhabiting a human body.. Theres quite a difference in that identification.. In that case they anthropomorphize themselves.. LoL..
If nobody dies, only human body's do (as scripture indicates).. Not only is God(plural) a Spirit(s), we are too.. Anthropomorphizing things is what fleshly man does.. Evolution is pretty much a yarn of an anthropomorphizing nature..
Yes, I'm willing to persue this subject more..
However we may be alone because it(the subject) gets way too close to exposing many peoples lack of faith..
Of course you know my agenda.. LoL.. That this subject highlights that mans body is merely transportation (3rd dimensional), a Donkey(metaphor), that houses the spirit..
A verse of scripture comes to mind.. for some reason..
We know that all creation has been groaning with the pains of childbirth up to the present time. Rom 8;22
Goodnight St. Alamo-Girl and St. Doc.
I think I still prefer the title "Pope Blogger" :)
Yes, it's been a long day. Good night to you both, Saint Blogger and Saint Alamo-Girl, "being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:6).
LoL... mee too...
Very interesting, thought-provoking post. And one that provides a different perspective on many things, the decalogue for example.
I looked in Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith under "The properties of the divine nature."
Uncreated, without beginning, immortal, infinite, eternal, immaterial, good, creative, just, enlightening, immutable, passionless, uncircumscribed, immeasurable, unlimited, undefined, unseen, unthinkable, wanting in nothing, being His own rule and authority, all-ruling, life-giving, omnipotent, of infinite power, con-raining and maintaining the universe and making provision for all: all these and such like attributes the Deity possesses by nature, not having received them from elsewhere, but Himself imparting all good to His own creations according to the capacity of each.
In your view, what is the reason?
Simply God's sovereign pleasure (if God wanted all to be saved, then all would be saved, etc.). I don't think it was because of my "luck" that my non-Christian parents chose to have me baptized anyway, as an infant, in a Christian church. And, I don't think it was because I was smarter than the next guy for choosing God. The point in time of my belief (when I think the Spirit indwelled) was simply the "when". There was never any question of "if". That was decided at the "beginning".
I have no earthly clue why God would choose this lowly sinner over the next poor loser for salvation. All I know is that I deserve ZERO credit for it. :) The Scriptures do not reveal to us why God some and not others. I assume that He did HAVE reasons because He has no other history in scripture of acting TRULY capricious as far as I can tell. But, what those reasons were, I cannot even guess. The Bible just tells us some of the things they were NOT based on.
The difference is that the Church (the pope or her bishops) speak, that is because of the laying of the hands of the apostles that allowed them. "How can they preach unless they are sent?" When Blogger speaks that is his opinion only.
Apparently under your view, SOMEONE must be the pope. If a person does not acknowledge your pope as his pope, then he MUST have some other pope. This could take the form of some other ivory tower earthly authority, or in most cases, simply the person himself, as many Catholics have told me on FR. This Catholic assertion is simply wrong. Our side does not need or want a pope. We do not need a single human being to instruct us as to what our opinions and beliefs are. That is for you because you want to believe it. That is fine with me, but it is incorrect for you to project your requirement of such a human leader on us. It is interesting that for many other good Christians you give a TOTAL pass on the requirement, but somehow, every Protestant MUST have a pope, and of course it is always that Protestant himself. Is that really fair?
Admiration bump.
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