'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

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[annalex]

What Jesus is saying [in John 5:38f] is that the Pharisees think they have eternal life outside of Jesus and He is telling them that the scriptures testify that in Him is eternal life and they cannot see that.

He is not saying that through the scripture and outside of tradition we get eternal life, which was your original, mistaken, point.

[annalex]

How did "your" church write the New Testament? John says we, not the church wrote.

Correct. The New Testament was written by individual apostles, and their disciples, Catholic clergy all.

[D-fendr]

I think you are touching on the (some) protestant doctrine of Dispensationalism.

[annalex]

What do the words "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" mean to you, if not that Christ became a sacrifice for our sins, as God ordained according to His decree at creation?

There is no decree. The Lamb was the sacrifice and the Lamb, the Son of the Holy Trinity was from before the foundation of the world, but God the Father did not demand the sacrifice.

[annalex]

history proves it was not Rome who opened the Bible to all nations and races and languages. Just the opposite. For centuries RCs were cautioned not to read the Bible but to rely on their bishops and their church for "interpretation."

Roman Empire was largely Christian by 5c. Europe, including Russia, was largely Christian by 9c. The Americas were largely Christian when the Spanish got done with them; the two continetns are still majority-Catholic.

The world was Catholic and Orthodox before northern europe fell to Luther and Henry VIII.

And Greek and Latin were the universal language of the Church. They still are.

[annalex]

the error of Rome

Scripture please. Your saying so does not make it so. I gave you scripture.

[God] will render to every man according to his works. To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation.

(Romans 2)

by works a man is justified; and not by faith only

(James 2)

brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election

(2 Peter 1)

[P-Marlowe]

The Americas were largely Christian when the Spanish got done with them...

I like your honest appraisal of the "missionary" work of the Conquistadors.

[annalex]

John 10:18

In that passage Christ agrees with me, not with you: " I lay it down of myself". He received the power as the commandment of the father, not that the sacrifice is a commandment.

I have a feeling it is for the second time I explain that.

[annalex]

DIRECT ACCESS WITH DADDY

Take a deep breath. That part is not in the scripture anywhere.

[annalex]

We find things in which we rest, and from which our enquiries spring as from a firm base. [...] No reliable doctrine is between them and Him, and right belief can never be absolutely known or relied on

I don't see where we disagree.

[annalex]

Yeah, and we had the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades too. We don't fool around.

[monkfan]

"I suspect you're misremembering: IQ tests are normed to have a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15."

I was dealing only with the upper half of a 200 point bell curve. I figured the lower half to be of no concern, since the point of interest here is not the subject of IQ itself, but rather the demarcation line for "genius". That aside, I got off my lazy butt (figuratively speaking, of course) and did some googeling and quickly found out that my info on IQ classifications was being outdated even as it was being taught to me. LOL! Dang government schooling!

"None of the properly normed IQ tests is sensitive to differences out beyond 4 standard deviations, so reporting IQs above 160 or below 40 is one of those statistics that fits into the sequence 'lies, damned lies, and statistics'."

Aye!

"That said, 130 as a cutoff for 'genius' is a bit low, surely 145 at least.

I would hope so. Mine is 135 and for all the things I've been called over the years, genius ain't one of them.

"(My wife does work in psychometrics, among other things, so I know these things.)"

While surfing, I noticed some classification scales that don't use the term "genius". Has that term fallen out of favor?

[P-Marlowe]

Yeah, and we had the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades too. We don't fool around.

Whatever works.

[Mad Dawg]

The disagreement, if any, was in characterizing the pope-lessness of us'ns and them. As I saw it, and I am notoriously myopic, you were saying every one was his or her as the case may be own Pope. But Forest Keeper et al. were saying we don' need no feelthy steenkin' Pope. I think that's a very big difference. I think the implications of the difference being one's own Pope and not thinking that one can have authoritative font of doctrine are very important. At least, I won't say to myself,"I am my own Pope" if I don't think Popes are desirable or possible.

Is that less obscure?

[Mad Dawg]

While surfing, I noticed some classification scales that don't use the term "genius". Has that term fallen out of favor?

They retired the Jeresy after I took my IQ tests.

Yeah, right.

[annalex]

Well, the Crusades didn't quite work, albeit we'll never know where the High Porte would have been stopped without them.

The fall of the Crusader Kingdom is something we are very busy expiating right about now.

[The_Reader_David]

All the old classification names at both ends of the scale have fallen into disuse thanks to political correctness.

(As Mad Dawg said: we now return you to your regularly scheduled theological bickering.)

[Mad Dawg]

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[annalex]

I think the implications of the difference being one's own Pope and not thinking that one can have authoritative font of doctrine are very important.

I am bringing the reader's attention to the dissonance here: the declaration is that the Protestants have zero popes, but the actual behavior is that they have a dosen thousand of them, if not more. If the declaration of zero-popes were followed, we would not have the spectacle of others telling us what veneration of saints is or what the Mass is, or the Scripture is. I understand there is a difference that you point out in theory, but I don't see that difference in practice.

[annalex]

Incidentally, I was wondering since 2001 how come these Afghani berets did not catch on this side of the Khobar pass. I'd wear one.