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To: Mad Dawg; Forest Keeper
I think the implications of the difference being one's own Pope and not thinking that one can have authoritative font of doctrine are very important.

I am bringing the reader's attention to the dissonance here: the declaration is that the Protestants have zero popes, but the actual behavior is that they have a dosen thousand of them, if not more. If the declaration of zero-popes were followed, we would not have the spectacle of others telling us what veneration of saints is or what the Mass is, or the Scripture is. I understand there is a difference that you point out in theory, but I don't see that difference in practice.

6,359 posted on 01/16/2007 4:34:33 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

No more so than a thousand priests in a thousand Roman congregations are seen by many as Jr Popes with perhaps more influence and control over their lives than the one in Rome.

Methinks the allegation is grossly disingenuous.


6,429 posted on 01/16/2007 8:14:03 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: annalex; Mad Dawg; Quix
MD: "I think the implications of the difference being one's own Pope and not thinking that one can have authoritative font of doctrine are very important."

I am bringing the reader's attention to the dissonance here: the declaration is that the Protestants have zero popes, but the actual behavior is that they have a dosen thousand of them, if not more. If the declaration of zero-popes were followed, we would not have the spectacle of others telling us what veneration of saints is or what the Mass is, or the Scripture is.

Well, this goes to my original point, that you believe that there MUST be a Pope, under any belief system. When we give our views and cite scripture as the source, you say we are our own popes. You appear to be saying that we aren't allowed to give our views, unless we claim infallibility, etc. We don't claim infallibility, but we do claim confidence in scripture. It's perfectly fine if you disagree with our views, but they are not based on anything remotely resembling a self-imposed papacy.

IOW, it appears you have instituted a ruling that when we give our views it is only proper if we couch our language to be wishy-washy, and without certitude. If we declare scripture concretely, then we are popes. If we hedge our views as random opinions, then you will allow us to be lone wolves who are simply wrong. It isn't intellectually honest for you to use the Church to characterize our beliefs, but then when we use the Bible to characterize your beliefs, you claim we are self-proclaimed popes.

7,451 posted on 01/24/2007 3:16:26 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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