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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
k50: So, being faithful is very much tied to getting and what's-in-it-for-me, and a lot less about worshiping God just because He is great. Take out the promise and see how many people come to church.

FK: Is this the answer to my above? If so, I could not disagree more. We are God's servants. We serve, He provides. He loves us, we love Him.

Indeed, loving God is of necessity "tied to getting what's in it for me," because it is true that "we love [Him] because He first loved us" (1 John 4:19). It does not negate "worshiping God just because He is great," for the supreme act of His greatness is in His sacrificial love for us; we know He is great only because He has revealed all His greatness to us in Jesus Christ the Lamb of God who came to take away the sin of the world (ref. John 1, Rev. 5). Apart from Christ (the Gift) there is not even a connection to God, much less an intimate fellowship, only our fallen rejection of our Creator and Ruler. Without our first "getting" no "worship" would even be possible. I, like Forest, found your argument contradictory in this regard, kosta.

15,820 posted on 06/29/2007 2:37:41 AM PDT by .30Carbine (My Redeemer is Faithful and True.)
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To: .30Carbine; Forest Keeper
Indeed, loving God is of necessity "tied to getting what's in it for me,"

Wow, I thought that's what the Protestants believe. In other words, "buy me a drink, I love you." That is not even Christian.

The Church established by Christ and living in the tradition of His Apostles teaches that loving is not "by necessity" tied to getting but to giving.

15,839 posted on 06/29/2007 6:21:22 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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