[annalex]

In my 5,387 I tried to clarify, not for the first time, of course, how the Catholic Church views the salvific value of works. When a Protestant says "works salvation" he may have a point as certainly some works do not have salvific value, as the New Testament, especially St. Paul, make clear. It is also true that works are evidence of faith. But what we don' tsee in the scripture, and therefore do not believe, is the protestant notion that works of love are only a byproduct of faith.

[Quix]

Ahhhhhhhhhh the . . . works of love issue . . .

So, when one homosexual gives the other a back rub . . . out of utter loving devotion . . .

Or maybe the axe murderer decides to lovingly save his beloved wife the horrors of the global government with his trusty axe.

Clearly defining Love is a priority regarding such issues.

IF LOVE IS LOVE,

then it must originate largely if not overwhelmingly somehow in God. Scripture is, to me, very clear about that. All good comes from God and only from God. All that is love is from God and only from God.

And, whatsoever is not of faith, is sin.

Therefore, it seems to me, that anything done authentically in an authentic love must at least have a major thread of faith--also from God in some measure and way--must at least have a major thread of faith involved in it.