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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; .30Carbine; P-Marlowe; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

Tzur, right. I forgot.

It is not in the Septuagint though. In Deut 32 the Greek is "theos alethina ta erga autou", and in 2 Sam 22 the word is "ktistes". This explains the absence of "rock" in Vulgate.


6,747 posted on 01/18/2007 1:17:27 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex; hosepipe; .30Carbine; P-Marlowe; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Buggman
That God is the Rock has not been lost in Judaism, e.g. “Rock of Ages” (Ma’oz Tzur) is the favorite Hanukkah Song.

Nor has it been lost among Christians who have long used the King James Translation which was faithful to interpret literally the Hebrew word tzur to mean Rock instead of God or Mighty One.

Ironically, the Christian hymn Rock of Ages is among their favorites.

Of all the possible errors a translator could make, seems to me that missing the mark on one of the names or titles of God has to be “right up there.” But I imagine that too is according to God’s plan, because when Christians and Jews do not understand that God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is the Rock – it can have (and evidently has had) a broad effect.

For the record, here’s a few examples of the importance of God’s name(s)

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:11-12

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. – John 5:43

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. – John 17:6

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. – John 17:11-13

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. – Philippians 2:9-11

His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. – Revelation 19:12-13

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name….

6,758 posted on 01/18/2007 2:57:12 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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