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To: Buggman; kosta50
Er, if I may, I’d like to raise just one difference in translation that we discussed earlier to get your “take” on it (6758 was my last remark.

Of all the types of translation errors that can be made, missing one of the names or titles of God is most disturbing to me. In this case, “God is the Rock.” In Hebrew, tzur - the Septuagint translation drops that term and uses something like God or Mighty One.

But Peter and Paul both evidently knew the name, i.e. that God is the Rock:

Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. – Deu 32:1-4

For who [is] God, save the LORD? and who [is] a rock, save our God? – 2 Sam 22:32

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: - Matt 7:4

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. – 1 Cor 10:1-4

Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. – 1 Peter 2:7-8

See also: Biblical and Talmudic Names for God

The title itself illuminates the following passage, i.e. God is the Rock!:

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. – Matt 16:16-18


7,236 posted on 01/22/2007 7:58:49 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
missing one of the names or titles of God is most disturbing to me. In this case, “God is the Rock.” In Hebrew, tzur - the Septuagint translation drops that term and uses something like God or Mighty One

Apparently, it wasn't disturbing enough for the Apostles, A-G, for they used the Septuagint (LXX).

I am not sure what wonderful combinations one can come up with by adding different accent marks, but one thing is for sure: whatever was written in the Septuagint was before Christ, and therefore cannot be accused of bias with respect to Him, unless you can show that dropping tzur is a latter-day corruption.

7,241 posted on 01/22/2007 8:25:46 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50
Of all the types of translation errors that can be made, missing one of the names or titles of God is most disturbing to me. In this case, “God is the Rock.” In Hebrew, tzur - the Septuagint translation drops that term and uses something like God or Mighty One.

That is correct: "God (Gr. Theos, vs. the Heb. HaTzur, 'The Rock'), His works are true, and all His ways are equity. God is trustworthy, and there is no injustice in Him; just and sacred is the LORD" (Deu. 32:4, LXX).

A similar mistranslation occurs in 2 Sa. 22:32, this time replacing Tzur with Ktistes, altering, "Who is a Rock except our God?" to "Who is a Creator like our God?"

Good catch, A-G.

7,257 posted on 01/22/2007 12:40:10 PM PST by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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