Posted on 12/11/2006 6:29:15 AM PST by xzins
What happened to Joseph the father of Jesus
We know very little about the years of Jesus prior to His public ministry. The gospels are without notation of any childhood events beyond Christ's birth except one reference that is found in Luke. It is the very last time that Joseph, the adoptive father of Jesus, is ever mentioned.
Luke 2:41 reads: "Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, 'Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.' 'Why were you searching for me?' he asked. 'Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?' But they did not understand what he was saying to them. Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men."
It is supposed that Joseph, the father of Jesus, died during the quiet years of Jesus' life. We do know that he trained Jesus in his trade, as that of a carpenter. He do know that Joseph and Mary had children after Jesus was born: James, Joses, Simon, and others.
Perhaps the cause or timing of his death is not nearly as important as the strength of character he displayed. In first hearing about Mary's pregnancy, Joseph did not want to subject Mary to public scorn. After hearing from the angel who confirmed Mary's incredulous story, Joseph obediently accepted the role as surrogate father for the baby Jesus, the Christ child. Matthew 1:24-25 says, "When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus."
The last reference about Joseph in Luke confirms that Joseph was a devout follower of the customs of his religion with his observance of Passover. It implies that Joseph made certain of good spiritual training for the children in his family. Joseph proved his integrity and willingness to be obedient to God's direction and guidance.
Because it is one more false doctrine that crumbles under the light of truthful examination. Most of their theology, likewise when exposed, does the same. They follow the traditions of man and not the commandments of the Lord.
The gathering of Jesus' "brothers" amounts to about 120. That is a lot of "brothers." Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew. Mary did not have 120 children,dear friend,She was ever virgin.Period!
When you claim that James and Joses are children of Mary and Joseph, in contradiction to the Scriptures, aren't you the one following the traditions of man?
You are debating Romans, and as such......they have to constantly bob and weave, defending their doctrinal errors.
To what are you referring?
Un-freaking believable.
Because Roman Catholics have an entirely different understanding of heroes of the faith than we do. They see them to be venerated. We see them to be studied.
At the same time, I've asked any Catholic to give me an entire article devoted to Mary by any of the Reformers, and I'm still waiting. All they can find is a few quotes.
In sum, those issues were peripheral for the reformers. Crucial, central issues were justification, salvation, sanctification, predestination, etc.
what a bizarre thing to say
Hey, I would agree. Consider it like the ever evolving Catholic tradition.
Must have been all that walking from Nazareth to Jerusalem. Probably needs his joints lubed, too.
:>)
Must have been all that walking from Nazareth to Jerusalem. Probably needs his joints lubed, too.
:>)
Must have been all that walking from Nazareth to Jerusalem. Probably needs his joints lubed, too.
:>)
If Ti-Grace Atkinson got slapped in Maryland, then she was slapped by Patricia Buckley Bozell, Bill's sister and Brent's wife. Good for Patricia in any event.
There's no sense in leaving the field.
We have the stronger case. If there's anything our sola scriptura position does give us, it's a pretty decent understanding of what is and isn't in the scriptures.
What is not in the scriptures is immaculate conception, assumption, and immaculate hymen. (among other things)
What is in the scriptures is a host of verses that leave the most likely conclusion that Jesus had siblings.
[Matthew 4:18-22] As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." At once they left their nets and followed him. Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.
So far....one James!
[Matthew 10:2-4] These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
Now we got....two by the same name.
[Matthew 13:54-55] Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked. "Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" And they took offense at him.
Now we got....three of "em". We know this is a third James because he is included with Joseph. We did have an Apostle named Simon (two actually) and we had an Apostle names Jude and we had two Apostles names James.....but no Apostle was named Joseph. Joseph is included as one of the brothers.
The Apostle John makes the distinction even more clear when he separates the Brothers from the Apostles. [John 2:12] After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days.
There were three men in the New Testament called James and one was the flesh and blood brother of Our Lord and a younger son of Joseph and Mary.
If Jesus had not been the eldest he would not have qualified to have the genealogy of Matthew 1:16 listed a rightful heir to the Davidic line down through Joseph, his step father. Joseph would have given that right to his eldest son.....had there been another.
The Apostle Paul makes it even more clear here: [Galatians 1:19] eteron <2087> de <1161> {BUT OTHER} twn <3588> {OF THE} apostolwn <652> {APOSTLES} ouk <3756> eidon <1492> (5627) {I SAW NOT} ei <1487> mh <3361> {EXCEPT} iakwbon <2385> {JAMES} ton <3588> {THE} adelfon <80> {BROTHER} tou <3588> {OF THE} kuriou <2962> {LORD.}
The Apostle spoke Greek and the Holy Spirit inspired him to write "Adelfon".....brother of The Lord.
just sitting here trying to whistle with a mouthful of crackers...
No, the traditions of the apostles. Scripture is quite clear as to who the children of Mary and Joseph are. But even if it didn't list them, there is still no scripture that teaches the perpetual virginity, the immaculate conception, the ascension into heaven --- all doctrines of a vivid imagination. And where is the attestation of any of this from a respectable early church father?
Was Eve a perpetual virgin? How many children did she have?
Christ, God's Gift Through Mary
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