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To: adiaireton8
I guess I don't understand your assertion, I cannot save myself through my works. I can only be saved through the blood of Christ. As I am not Pelagius, I am not tied to what he believed. As soon as you can put two words together you can sin. You can sin by acting hurtfully towards another person.

In the sense that we die because of Adam and Eve's trespass, then that death is our wage for his sin, but then so is the multiplication of our woes. It is through our choices that we sin. There have been people who had not sinned and were "swept away" by the Lord into heaven without dying before Christ came. How do you attone for their "original sin" then? Did God take them to heaven regardless of their innate faults?

282 posted on 12/11/2006 1:13:52 PM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo, gratia. Ex astris, scientia)
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To: EarthBound
If we do not have original sin, then we could, by rightly choosing at every moment not to sin over the course of our entire life, save ourselves. That was precisely what Pelagius believed. His denial of original sin opened the way for the possibility of humans saving themselves. Since you, like Pelagius, deny that humans are now born with original sin, you too are opening up the possibility that humans could, if they made all the right choices over the course of their life, save themselves.

In the sense that we die because of Adam and Eve's trespass, then that death is our wage for his sin, but then so is the multiplication of our woes.

I don't understand that sentence.

-A8

285 posted on 12/11/2006 1:19:35 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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