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Filet-O-Fish inventor just wanted to increase his Friday business [McDonalds for Lent!]
Quad City Times ^ | February 25, 2007 | The Cincinnati Enquirer

Posted on 02/27/2007 12:32:29 PM PST by Alex Murphy

In 1962, Lou Groen was desperate to save his floundering hamburger restaurant, the first McDonald’s in the Cincinnati, Ohio, area.

His problem: The clientele was heavily Catholic. Back then, most Catholics abstained from meat every Friday, not just during Lent, a 40-day period of repentance that began last week with Ash Wednesday.

His solution: He created a sandwich that would eventually be consumed at a rate of 300 million a year — the McDonald’s Filet-O-Fish.

“Frisch’s (the local Big Boy chain) dominated the market, and they had a very good fish sandwich,” recalled Groen, now 89. “I was struggling. The crew was my wife, myself, and a man named George. I did repairs, swept floors, you name it.

“But that area was 87 percent Catholic. On Fridays we only took in about $75 a day,“ said Groen, a Catholic himself. “All our customers were going to Frisch’s.

“So I invented my fish sandwich, developed a special batter, made the tartar sauce and took it to headquarters.”

That led to a wager between Groen and McDonald’s chief Ray Kroc, who was preparing his own meatless alternative.

“He called his sandwich the Hula Burger,” Groen said. “It was a cold bun and a slice of pineapple and that was it.

“Ray said to me, ‘Well, Lou, I’m going to put your fish sandwich on (a menu) for a Friday. But I’m going to put my special sandwich on, too. Whichever sells the most, that’s the one we’ll go with.’

“Friday came and the word came out. I won hands down. I sold 350 fish sandwiches that day. Ray never did tell me how his sandwich did.”

But the chain compelled Groen to modify the fish recipe.

“I wanted halibut originally,” Groen said. “I was paying $2 a pound for halibut. That sandwich cost me 30 cents apiece to make. They told me it had to sell for 25 cents. I had to fall back on Atlantic cod, a whitefish, and I added a slice of cheese. But my halibut sandwich far outshines that one.”

Groen wasn’t complaining.

“My fish sandwich was the first addition ever to McDonald’s original menu,” he said. “It saved my franchise.”

And fed it. By the time he sold his franchise in 1986, Groen owned 43 McDonald’s restaurants in Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, about half the number the region contains today. But his prosperity didn’t include a slice of the Filet-O-Fish’s national sales.

“Not a penny,” he said. “I made my money by selling the product and being the best operator I could.”

Charles Faulks, operations director for McDonald’s Ohio Region, called Groen’s contributions legendary.

“Lou exemplified Ray Kroc’s philosophy that you can succeed if you believe in your brand, treat your people right and give back to your community,” Faulks said.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: compulsionideation; fish; fishonfriday; obsessionfixation
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1 posted on 02/27/2007 12:32:33 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL. It's all about the buck.


2 posted on 02/27/2007 12:36:26 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: SevenofNine

ping


3 posted on 02/27/2007 12:36:37 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: Alex Murphy

not sure how Catholic fasting works but wouldn't the cheese be a deal breaker?


4 posted on 02/27/2007 12:40:50 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii

Now that's assuming that what McDonalds calls cheese actually cheese...and it's not.

Dairy is ok during fasting, at least for Catholics.


5 posted on 02/27/2007 12:43:56 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Alex Murphy

but McDonalds is an EVIL, EVIL BIG CORPORATION!

/sarc


6 posted on 02/27/2007 12:44:21 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: kawaii
not sure how Catholic fasting works but wouldn't the cheese be a deal breaker?

Perhaps one of our Catholic friends can chime in on this point. One will be around shortly, anyway - they'll be "anonymously" adding the keywords MOACB and/or FASCINATEDWCATHOLICS to the thread :)

7 posted on 02/27/2007 12:46:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: kawaii
not sure how Catholic fasting works but wouldn't the cheese be a deal breaker?

Nah. In my pre-McDonald's childhood, we always had cheese pizza on Fridays during Lent. :-)

8 posted on 02/27/2007 12:46:53 PM PST by COBOL2Java ("No stronger retrograde force exists in the world" - Winston Churchill on Islam)
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To: kawaii
Roman Catholics don't do vegan fasting. Even fasting observant Catholics are allowed dairy and even meat once a day (except on Friday) during Lent.

This is my first Great Lent since I was chrismated as Orthodox. It's not too hard to give up meat, but dairy is difficult.

Come to think of it, Orthodox could not have the cod or even the tartar sauce either.

Filet-O-Shrimp, anybody?

9 posted on 02/27/2007 12:49:21 PM PST by Martin Tell
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To: kawaii

Nope, cheese is good...otherwise I'm in trouble for the grilled cheese I fixed last Friday night :)

My daughter's Catholic school serves cheese pizza on occasion on Fridays during Lent.


10 posted on 02/27/2007 12:49:22 PM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (We interrupt this tagline to announce that another little FReeper (#4) is due 10/8/07!)
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To: kawaii

Cheese is fine. Meat is not. That's why there are so many Friday fish fry's around the country.


11 posted on 02/27/2007 12:52:01 PM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: Martin Tell

lobster sans butter... etc...

my wife is being very vigilent this year in keeping me on track with orthodox fasting...

goodbye coffee with cream.


12 posted on 02/27/2007 1:02:00 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Kryptonite; Hoosier Catholic Momma

i didn't realize orthodox and catholic fasting differed on that...


13 posted on 02/27/2007 1:04:43 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii

Do you guys fast from fish, but not from shellfish?

How about cephalopods (squid, octopus)?


14 posted on 02/27/2007 1:05:57 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Frisch's Filet of Sole (it was actually HALIBUT) was the BEST sandwich EVER!! When their store Prime and Wine burnt down, that was the end of the Halibut sandwich.....I still miss it!


15 posted on 02/27/2007 1:08:26 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Alex Murphy

Of COURSE you can eat cheese during Lent.


16 posted on 02/27/2007 1:09:09 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Kryptonite
Cheese is fine. Meat is not

This article says it's OK for Irish Catholics to eat meat(corned beef) on Lenten Friday's that happen to coincide with St. Patrick's Day!!

17 posted on 02/27/2007 1:11:08 PM PST by skeptoid (BS, AE, AA)
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To: ArrogantBustard; kawaii
How about cephalopods (squid, octopus)?

Check out this New Zealander's catch. It could feed the entire Orthodox Church ...


This handout picture taken December 2006 in the North Pacific Ocean some 1,000 kilometers south of Tokyo, shows a specimen of a deep-sea giant squid. A New Zealand fishing boat has landed what is believed to be a world record squid weighing an estimated 450 kilograms (990 pounds).(AFP/National Science Museum/File)


Can one of the Orthodox explain why dairy is restricted during Lent?

18 posted on 02/27/2007 1:19:43 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

I'm going to go out on a limb, here ... make a wild guess ... and suggest that huge squid would probably taste really bad. They have a significant ammonia content in their flesh.


19 posted on 02/27/2007 1:21:26 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: skeptoid

Yep. That's the rule followed in my better half's family.


20 posted on 02/27/2007 1:26:15 PM PST by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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