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Man sues Salvation Army in religious discrimination[Catholic passed over for promotion]
The Birmingham News ^ | February 27, 2007 | VAL WALTON

Posted on 03/01/2007 9:06:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy

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21 posted on 03/01/2007 11:29:56 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Since you decided not to comprehend what I wrote so plainly, I gather you are not capable of discussion.


22 posted on 03/02/2007 12:36:40 AM PST by Maeve (Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet)
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To: P-Marlowe
Mr. Clark gave the wrong answer. He might as well have said no.

This is sheer idiocy.

23 posted on 03/02/2007 12:38:58 AM PST by Maeve (Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet)
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To: Salvation

Salvation Army officers(ministers) are trained to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ with I suspect not much emphasis on how to conduct a lawful employment interview. It is my understanding that there is a concerted effort going on within the Army's social service programs to reduce the influence of secularists which has probably led to this situation.
The General of the SA, our international leader, was in Rome for the installation of Benedict XVI as Pope and has asked all Salvationists to pray that God will use him to extend His kingdom


24 posted on 03/02/2007 4:08:09 AM PST by Upbeat
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To: Upbeat
It is my understanding that there is a concerted effort going on within the Army's social service programs to reduce the influence of secularists which has probably led to this situation.

This seems reasonable to me. I think everyone should calm down and use some Christian (not to mention Catholic :-) charity.

25 posted on 03/02/2007 4:23:53 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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To: JennysCool; Salvation
No, no! I meant the Salvation Army guy replying that the complaining guy couldn't have the job because he was Catholic!

Just doesn't sound like anything anyone would actually reply!

Why is it so unbelievable? Don't you read the Religion Forum in Free Republic?

26 posted on 03/02/2007 5:20:28 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Thoramir

...which brings us back to the reason the Salvation Army thought the guy was not a practising Christian.


27 posted on 03/02/2007 6:20:40 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: BlessedBeGod

You might expect that however many Roman Catholics do not.
When a relative of mine (RC) was asked if I was a Roman Catholic he replied " No, she's a a Christian". Too sad.


28 posted on 03/02/2007 6:27:22 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Maeve
Since you decided not to comprehend what I wrote so plainly, I gather you are not capable of discussion.

Are you a Christian?

29 posted on 03/02/2007 6:35:40 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Alex Murphy

Being a Christian, I would not be interested in working for the Salvation Army. They are a denomination, and they teach things that I find contrary to the Word of God.


30 posted on 03/02/2007 6:35:55 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: BlessedBeGod
I would expect others to do the same -- say yes and then say specifically Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, or whatever they were.

But I would never answer that way. I've been a member of all 3 of those churches and a few others as we attend church depending on who preaches Christ and not what they're sign out front says.

31 posted on 03/02/2007 6:42:44 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: jkl1122; Alex Murphy
Being a Christian, I would not be interested in working for the Salvation Army.

So are you saying that the Salvation Army members are not Christians?

If you asked a Salvation Army member if they were a Christian, how do you think they would answer?

And if a Salvation Army member asked you if you were a Christian, how would you answer?

32 posted on 03/02/2007 6:45:41 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy

I proudly let anyone who cares to know that I am a Christian. I am not sure how a member of the SA would answer if I asked them that question, although they would probably state that they were a Christian. As I stated in my previous post, they teach things that are contrary to the Word of God.


33 posted on 03/02/2007 6:54:20 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: P-Marlowe
Are you a Christian?

If you're asking me, then I guess the answer is "Yes". At least in my opinion.

But here's the real question, if you are interviewing me for a job. Do you consider me to be a Christian?

As some who call themselves "Christian" have strange ideas about the Catholic Church and its beliefs and may not regard me as "Christian", if I'm asked this question at an interview I'd probably do what this guy did and inform you up front that I'm a Catholic and let you decide. That doesn't meant that I'm being evasive. It simply means that I'm unsure as to how you define the term Christian and I'm leaving it to you to make the call. The term "Christian" in common usage, often means "non-Catholic", so there is some ambiguity here.

Having said that, I think the Salvation Army has a right to hire whomever it pleases. If they don't want Catholics, that's their prerogative.

34 posted on 03/02/2007 7:17:40 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: jkl1122

So I take it that instead of giving a simple "yes" to the question from a Salvation Army member, "Are you a Christian?", you would have said something to the effect of, "Yes, I'm a Christian, but your not, and here's why".


35 posted on 03/02/2007 7:19:14 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Did I say that? If I was in a discussion with them about beliefs, then that would be a different story.


36 posted on 03/02/2007 7:30:56 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: P-Marlowe
Would you say "Yes" or would you say "I'm a Catholic"?

Can you say "false dichotomy"?

I knew you could.

37 posted on 03/02/2007 7:32:42 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Alex Murphy

This is ridiculous. Churches have a right to hire who they want to. Catholic organizations also should have the right to hire only Catholics if they want to. The First Amendment is being eroded horribly in this country.


38 posted on 03/02/2007 8:04:24 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

I think a lot of people are not aware that the Salvation Army is in fact a denomination.


39 posted on 03/02/2007 8:06:25 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: Campion; xzins; blue-duncan; jude24
Can you say "false dichotomy"? I knew you could.

I think you are missing the whole point of this article.

Let's say you are currently working in a clerical position and you were applying for a leadership position with the Salvation Army and you were in an inteview for the position. The Salvation Army Captain is going through your qualifications for this position and they ask the following question:

"Campion, you've been working with us for a while and you know that the Salvation Army is a Christian Charity organization, so I must ask you this very important question, Campion, are you a Christian?"

Now, think about it.

How would Campion respond?

40 posted on 03/02/2007 8:13:37 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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