[HarleyD]

Why would you see Zionism as anti-Christian?

I don't see things as "anti-Christian". As Augustine writes, there are two cities. There are the Christians and there is everyone else. The Christian city is built on our forefather Abraham and continues through time, now including the Gentiles. For Christians our city is not here of stone; rather we are ambassadors of our heavenly city. We influence the other city in which we dwell simply as representatives of God. Someday we, like Abraham, Moses, Paul and the rest will finally be gathered with our people; a blessed promise indeed!

Whatever takes place in the city in which we dwell is because of God mission to bring His city home to Him. The reformulation of Israel must have been ordained by God simply because it has happened. That doesn't make Israel good or bad, nor can I tell how God is going to use this for His will. If Israel took over the entire Middle East or dissolved entirely tomorrow makes no difference in God's plan to seek and save that which He has lost. It simply means that God has ordained this to happened to help bring His city home.

Being pro-Christian and pro-Israel is a marriage made in heaven. Being anti-Israel is, well, frankly, pro-Satan since he's the one who fights her in Revelation 12.

I have yet to find anyone who has been able to accurately interpret Revelation. I find the Orthodox approach the best. Once a year they pull it off the shelf, read it, say "Hmmmm, very interesting.", and put it back on the shelf until next year.

[Blogger]

Whatever takes place in the city in which we dwell is because of God mission to bring His city home to Him. The reformulation of Israel must have been ordained by God simply because it has happened.
As it was prophesied TO happen in Scripture. Harley. We don't have to guess about Israel. God says what His plan is - and His plan is not limited to the salvation of man. It also includes revealing some things about Himself to the world. Israel's restoration was according to the promises of God as prophesied millenia ago. It is not complete. Scripture tells us all of what will occur, if we will listen to it.

I have yet to find anyone who has been able to accurately interpret Revelation. I find the Orthodox approach the best. Once a year they pull it off the shelf, read it, say "Hmmmm, very interesting.", and put it back on the shelf until next year.
No Harley. You don't know if you have found anyone who has accurately interpreted Revelation. Some of us may have hit the nail right on the head. Ignorring it serves nobody's purpose. It may seem cute, but God put it in the Bible for us to grapple with. And, he has given us His Holy Spirit to teach us what He wants us to know about it.

[wmfights]

As I understand it, Israel is increasingly becoming a more secular, socialist state. They do have strong religious groups, but they are in the minority.

The demographics are terrible for them and unless they exclude all non Jews in 30-50 years they will be a majority muslim country (one of the reasons they are withdrawing from territories and building a wall). If they become a muslim country, still called Israel, are we supposed to support them?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I have yet to find anyone who has been able to accurately interpret Revelation.

I would recommend David Chilton's excellent book, "The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation." Read the reviews on Amazon.

And here is the book free online...

THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE
AN EXPOSITION OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION