Skip to comments.Crystal Amulet Poses Question On Early Christianity (Denmark - 100AD)
Posted on 03/09/2007 11:37:30 AM PST by blam
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Denmark-Ahead of it's time.
I'm sorry, I must have dropped it there...
Another possible explanation is trade goods. There were well established trade routes between Scandinavia and the rest of Europe quite early on. Even without direct trade, goods passed from hand to hand to hand and wound up in odd corners.
It makes just as much sense for a well-born woman to receive a play-pretty from the traders as it does that she was a believer . . .
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Me thinks its great, but a little over excited combination of apples and oranges.
One is a set of historical events which marked the growth and advance of Christianity in Denmark, which, in myths, might give Harold Bluetooth more credit that he deserves. But I think the history would credit the era of Harold as marking the beginning of that large-scale religious conversion process, with or without the myths related to it.
While the artifact represents a single individual, who lived among an unknown group of individuals, of an unknown number and with unknown actual religious sentiments. I don't think that one artifact can alter the history of the general introduction of Christianity to Denmark.
Those Vikings, they got around:
Buddha statue from 6th c found in Viking hoard in Helgo, Sweden
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I can't find anything about crystal amulets in the the gospels of the new testament, I must be missing some pages....
The Swedes are Buddhists? I never knew that.
This could be a viking traders wife. She could have come from the Mediterranean, Britian, someplace like that.
One of many benefits of spending most of my junior high/high school years in Israel.
I thought it was Hardrada - Hard Counsel. But maybe that's my Anglo-Saxon talking.
That was basically my reaction to it as well. While the possibility of Christians arriving early in Denmark is interesting and possibly of historic significance, that doesn't automatically displace the significance of later events, at least not without additional information to demonstrate historical continuity between this find and later Danish Christianity. There were cases of Christianity appearing early in a region but not really taking root among the general populace until later. I think maybe the author of the article exaggerated the implications of the find for the sake of making the lead sound more exciting, which seems to happen a lot with archaeology articles: everyone wants to announce the discovery of the "first" something or other.
Why would this be a stretch to believe? Christianity was moving along with the Romans as they expanded their empire. St. Patrick was a Roman who had been taken in slavery by Irish raiders, then later became a priest to go back and convert the Irish. If Catholicism was in the British Isles by the 4th century, who's to say it hadn't made it's way to Denmark also? Perhaps a Catholic priest had been taken to Denmark as a prisoner by the 'Vikings' of the era, and began spreading the Faith. It's not far-fetched to consider it.
Faulty mememor and folk etymology strikes me again. Yes OE and ON are very similar.
Harald III Sigurdsson (1015 September 25, 1066), later surnamed Harald Hardråde (Old Norse: Haraldr harðráði, roughly translated as "Harald stern council" or "hard ruler")
Since I'm at it might as well correct something else, not Trygrvvson, but Harold Sigurdsson!
An even more likely explanation is that this was not of Christian origin, but Jewish. The diaspora spread far and wide, was more numerous at the time, and certainly had a longer time to get there.
Here, is a kabbalistic reference to the same time of item:
It contains the last name of Jessica Alba whether read forward or backwards. And Jessica Alba has mystical powers over me ...
Could very well be. I don't know when the Ashkenazim first formed as a group in northern Europe, but they could have been the Jews who fled the Middle East at the end of the first century AD.
My Verizon supports Bluetooth. "Thyrvé" what a beautiful name.
You don't have "The Book of New Age Bull S***?"
She may have been a Christian or not. It bears no relfection on King Harald's achievements.
The Christian Anglo-Seaxons were very clear in their references to heathen Vikings.
But the Danes as a whole were not made Christians until King Harald imposed it on all of Denmark.
There were probably individual Christians and Christian communities living in pagan territory long before Christianiy became an official religion.
Look at how long it took before Constantine made it the official religion in the Empire.
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Tha beagan Ghaidlig agam . . . in other words there's a little Gaelic at me, enough to get me into trouble.
Was that the same book that was on sale in the Danish Mystics and Hemp Smokers book store?
It's also a palindrome if TH is replaced by the letter thorn.
Well, it was a typo in my post, it was not ABLATHANABLA, but ABLANATHANALBA http://www.lib.umich.edu/pap/magic/rb.display.html#no.4 i.e. the Gaelic part was fun, but Bravo Sierra ;-)
"It's warm that it is in Scotland."
Go here , look at the bottom of the page and click on 'Genetic Markers' then look to the haplogroup column to the right and click on haplogroup N1 for your answer.
That's funny. I can't find any reference to Rosaries or crosses as amulets either. I must be missing the same pages.
Maybe Harold Hardrider rode his wife hard and she commemmorated it in writing since he couldn't read to take offense.
A more likely trade route during the early years of Christianity would be through Viking Russia and then down the rivers to Constantinople.
This route was a popular trading pattern for Nordic people in those days.
Hello friends. Haraldr harðráði in old Icelandic means Harald Hard-buttocks. Yes, you've got that right. harðráði is a perjorative in some texts for a mean ruler and just as today it is in reference to a man's hind quarters.
First remember that in the development of language "l" and "r" are liquid vowels and can replace each other. So change the Greek "l" to an "r" and you are close to abra kedabra.
Also, words of power inscribed like this were often meant so that letters were read in reverse.
That is definitely an anchor in my opinion - I have seen a number of others including one up in Deeside on Pictish Christian carvings on megaliths.
This noble woman was of extraordinary importance to have this.
I neglected to say that there would likely be a deliberate mis-spelling of the word of power so that neophytes and the unwashed could not read it.
My favorite on is Halvdan den Milde Og Matille Øysteinsøn(The Generous & Food Miserly), because it's rather baffling. His father was Øystein "Fretr" Halvdansson (the Fart), a name that is sure to bring glee to any young boy.
I think it's possible she may have been a Goth (Wulfila Bible was a 4th century translation) or possibly a Nun, who'd been collected during a raid.
I should have said you can find the perjorative use of harðráði in the Sagas. Of course, this is a rare double entendre ... the "radt" as parliament is featured in a number of northern European languages...
My bet would be on a woman the Vikings brought back during their raids through Kievan Rus' during the Viking river invasions through what is modern day Russia, Ukraine etc.
I actually took Icelandic for a semester, and my Icelandic dictionary says: "ráða (ræð; réð; ráðinn) v.t. advise; recommend; ráða e-m áð gera e-ð, advise s.o. to do s.t.; with dat. rule, govern." Nothing about bottoms anywhere.
It seems an obvious cognate with the Anglo-Saxon ræd and Middle English rede, all meaning the same thing - counsel or advice. I would think the Icelandic for the hinder parts would be a cognate of the A/S "buttuc" which means what it sounds like.