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To: vladimir998
ALL THE EVIDENCE IS ON MY SIDE and none is on your side. None at all.


Take your "humility" and stuff it Vlad. My point stands: he made a political decision regarding his faith. Politically inclined men of the cloth should not be rewarded with sainthood.

Think about this: one does not convert from Christian to Christian. Unless of course we have political motivations guiding our actions.
10 posted on 03/11/2007 8:49:27 AM PDT by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: eleni121

You wrote:

"Take your "humility" and stuff it Vlad."

I did not express a belief that I was humble, nor did I say that I was not humble. You ascribe a word to me that I did not use in reference to myself. You are clearly seeing what you want to see and paying little attention to what is actually written to you. Also, the simple fact that ALL EVIDENCE IS ON MY SIDE is not an expression of humility or lack of humility. It is simply the truth. You have yet to produce any evidence to the contrary.

"My point stands: he made a political decision regarding his faith."

Your point never stood nor does it now. There is no evidence whatsoever that he made any political decision in regard to his faith. You keep making this baseless assertion without even the smallest piece of evidence to support you. YOU HAVE NOTHING. Even simple common sense should tell you that leaving his noble title behind to become a mere, itinerant priest who spent all of his fortune on his flock shows his reconciliation with the Church could not possibly have been for political reasons. Can you refute that in the least? His decision in fact destroyed his previous way of life and ruined his future as it originally had been laid out for him by his family. You will prove this true by default, if nothing else, by failing once again to come up with a single scrap of evidence that shows it to be untrue.

"Politically inclined men of the cloth should not be rewarded with sainthood."

1) Prove he was politically inclinded.
2) Prove that canonization is a reward.

You will utterly fail on both counts.

"Think about this: one does not convert from Christian to Christian."

Technically, one "reconciles". Please note that I have used that term more than once already:

Example #1: "He was baptized Orthodox, raised as nothing in particular, saw his mother's conversion and reconciled."

Example #2: "NO ONE in history has ever been canonized for converting or reconciling to the Catholic faith."

Example #3: "His mother reconciled with the Church FIRST. Then he reconciled later."

We often use the term "converted" because that is easily understood whereas "reconciled" is a more technical term and not so easily understood by non-Catholics. I have used both, and I have used them correctly as they are commonly understood.

"Unless of course we have political motivations guiding our actions."

Your reasoning is completely nonsensical. You have no clue as to what you're talking about. Did you ever even hear of Gallitzin before this article? Ever read anything about him other than what you saw on the internet in the last few hours?

You are slandering the name and intentions, even the very life, of a man universally recognized as holy, devout, and totally committed to the gospel. Shame on you. Go ahead and repeat your baseless assertion (with no supporting evidence) yet again. Prove me right. I don't mind your help in proving me right again and again. Thanks.


11 posted on 03/11/2007 9:15:18 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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