BBC to broadcast gay mass from San Francisco (ugh!)

This London ^ | April 27, 2007

[HarleyD]

Undoubtably we'll hear that these are not really Catholics like the Chiapas Catholics.

[marshmallow]

That's an intersting "tradition." One Roman Church, all in lock step with Rome.

The assault of militant homosexuals on traditional Christian beliefs is serious and widespread. Any Church which preaches the sinfulness of sodomy will be subject to it. I don't know of any part of Christendom which is immune.

It's a shame that you don't see your conservative FReeper Catholic colleagues as allies in this fight against the onrushing abyss. Rather, it appears that any aversion you may have to the militant gays is outweighed by your delight that the Catholic Church is under assault.

Your comment reflects very badly on you, my friend.

Christianity faces two clear and present dangers. Firstly, the decay from within caused by western hedonism and secularism and secondly, the assault from without by militant Islam. Rejoicing over the travails of brother Christians in this war, is very, very poor form.

[Jaded]

There are a tremendous amount of “Christians” in a variety of denominations that aren’t. Surely even you know that.

The priest needs to be disciplined. So does the Bishops that allows this.

[marshmallow]

If the Catholic Church is so united then why aren't people like this ever disciplined? Why are the authorities of the Catholic Church such pansies (no pun intended)?

Ahhhhh.....so we're not strict enough for you! Of course!

I'm so used to seeing complaints about the Inquisition and how mean we all are that I'm taken aback when I see this argument trotted out. Still, whatever works for the moment, right?

Seriously though, the "oneness" of the Catholic Church is not a statement that heretics and dissenters will never arise and assail it. Otherwise, the Reformation would never have occurred. Rather, it is a reference to the fact that "oneness" with the Pope and the Church united to him (i.e. unity) is a guarantee of fidelity to authentic Catholic teaching.

As long as sin exists, there will always be imitators of Judas. That is, those who betray Christ and His Church from within.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Excellent point. Rome owes Martin Luther an apology for his excommunication considering what is tolerated today.

True!

Conservative Protestantism is the only thing today's Catholic Church seems to have the 'ovnayim left to condemn.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Seriously though, the "oneness" of the Catholic Church is not a statement that heretics and dissenters will never arise and assail it. Otherwise, the Reformation would never have occurred. Rather, it is a reference to the fact that "oneness" with the Pope and the Church united to him (i.e. unity) is a guarantee of fidelity to authentic Catholic teaching.

AFAIK I have never attacked the Catholic Church on this forum for being "mean" or inquisitional. You must be confusing me with someone else.

The Catholic Church can always be counted on to condemn conservative Protestants or the Israelis. Meanwhile liberalism proceeds unabated.

Why don't your "successors of the apostles" and your "vicar of chr*st" act like it? Other than when condemning the "pridefulness" of Fundamentalist Protestants, that is.

[Gamecock]

It's a shame that you don't see your conservative FReeper Catholic colleagues as allies,

And who may that be? Most, if not all RCs on this page see us as heretics and are quick to point out the perceived damnable errors of Protestantism. I have no RC colleagues on FR.

[EarthBound]

I hate to say it, but you’re right on with this post.

[weegee]

They celebrate their sins and claim they are a gift from God.

[SF Republican]

That is interesting, I had never known they considered it a gift from God.

[marshmallow]

And who may that be? Most, if not all RCs on this page see us as heretics and are quick to point out the perceived damnable errors of Protestantism. I have no RC colleagues on FR.

You make my point.

[Youngstown]

Vision of the Great Apostasy And The Present Church of Darkness Shown By Our Lord To The Venerable Anne Katherine Emmerich @ 1820:

"I saw also the relationship between two popes ... I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city of Rome. The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness...

"I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps.

"I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church ... But God had other designs. "

"I saw again the strange big church that was being built there in Rome. There was nothing holy in it. I saw this just as I saw a movement led by Ecclesiastics to which contributed angels, saints, and other Christians. But there in the strange big church all the work was being done mechanically according to set rules and formulae. Everything was being done according to human reason ...I saw all sorts of people, things, doctrines, and opinions. There was something proud, presumptuous, and violent about it, and they seemed very successful. I di not see a single Angel nor a single saint helping in the work. But far away in the background, I saw the seat of the cruel people armed with spears, and I saw a laughing figure which said: " Do build it as solid as you can; we will pull it to the ground."

"I saw again the new and odd-looking church which they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it ... People were kneading bread in the crypt below ... but it would not rise, nor did they receive the body of our Lord, but only bread. Those who were in error, through no fault of their own, and who piously and ardently longed for the Body of Jesus were spiritually consoled, but not by their communion. Then my Guide (Jesus) said: "This is Babel."

[Youngstown]

Venerable Anne Katherine Emmerich:

PRAY FOR THE CHURCH OF DARKNESS TO LEAVE ROME!"

[DesScorp]

One, yet another reason to hate the Beeb.

Two, I'm beginning to think Jesuits really are working for the Devil. Wherever the Pope lays down doctrine, you can count on the Jesuits to actively undermine it.

[Coleus]

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[Youngstown]

Henry Edward Cardinal Manning (1808-1892), The Present Crisis of the Holy See (1861)

"The Holy Fathers who have written upon the subject of Antichrist, and the prophecies of Daniel, without a single exception, as far as I know -- and they are the Fathers both of the East and of the West, the Greek and the Latin Church --, all of them unanimously say that in the latter end of the world, during the reign of the Antichrist, the Holy Sacrifice of the Altar will cease.... Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it were in the beginning, invisible, hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were, from the face of the earth. Such is the unanimous testimony of the Fathers of the early centuries."

[vox_freedom]

Merely another example of the sad, sad state of the Church. The despicable heresy apparent in the evidence makes me want to puke, then pray for the poor souls who are lost to sin because of the current situation.
May God have mercy, and may Mary intercede on our behalf.

Thanks for the ping.

[netmilsmom]

>>And who may that be? Most, if not all RCs on this page see us as heretics and are quick to point out the perceived damnable errors of Protestantism. I have no RC colleagues on FR.<<

I was married to a Protestant up until a year ago.
Not a single in-law of mine is Catholic.
I do not point of errors of Protestants unless they begin to tell me how wrong I am about my faith.
Perhaps if you didn’t come into a thread looking for a fight, you would see that not all of us think you are wrong, just different.
We have a bigger enemy to fight and we need to keep our eye on the evil one who loves to see this.

[Youngstown]

Excerpts from:

CUM EX APOSTALATUS OFFICIO, Apostolic Constitution of His Holiness Pope Paul IV, February 15, 1559.

1. In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith. Remembering also that, where danger is greater, it must more fully and more diligently be counteracted, We have been concerned lest false prophets or others, even if they have only secular jurisdiction, should wretchedly ensnare the souls of the simple, and drag with them into perdition, destruction and damnation countless peoples committed to their care and rule, either in spiritual or in temporal matters; and We have been concerned also lest it may befall Us to see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place.

6. In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:-] that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:

(i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;

(ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;

(iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way;

(iv) to any so promoted to be Bishops, or Archbishops, or Patriarchs, or Primates or elevated as Cardinals, or as Roman Pontiff, no authority shall have been granted, nor shall it be considered to have been so granted either in the spiritual or the temporal domain;

(v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone;

(vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power, without any exception in respect of those to which they may have been promoted or elevated before they deviated from the Faith, became heretics, incurred schism, or provoked or committed any or all of these.

7. Finally, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We] also [enact, determine, define and decree]:-

that subject persons, be they members of anysoever of the following categories:

(i) the clergy, secular and religious;

(ii) the laity;

shall be permitted at any time to withdraw with impunity from obedience and devotion to those thus promoted or elevated and to avoid them as warlocks, heathens, publicans, and heresiarchs(the same subject persons, nevertheless, remaining bound by the duty of fidelity and obedience to any future Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals and Roman Pontiff canonically entering).

To the greater confusion, moreover, of those thus promoted or elevated, if these shall have wished to prolong their government and authority, they shall be permitted to request the assistance of the secular arm against these same individuals thus promoted or elevated; nor shall those who withdraw on this account, in the aforementioned circumstances, from fidelity and obedience to those thus promoted and elevated, be subject, as are those who tear the tunic of the Lord, to the retribution of any censures or penalties.

[NYer]

I'm beginning to think Jesuits really are working for the Devil.

While I can certainly appreciate how you feel, let's not lump all Jesuits into one pile. There are some excellent Jesuits out there, true defenders of the Catholic Church and all her doctrines. Fr. Mitch Pacwa immediately comes to mind. And, he is the most visible of them all.