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To: Campion
The "plain words" of Jesus Christ were...

"Do this in remembrance of me."

No wizardly incantation, no magical elevation in height, transmogrifies the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.

Christ is, however, present spiritually during the Lord's Supper, as He told us He would be.

37 posted on 05/07/2007 3:34:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The "plain words" of Jesus Christ were

... not limited to what you quoted. Sorry, you don't get to create doctrine by taking one sentence and ignoring 50 or 60 others.

This is my body ... This is the blood of the new covenant, which will be shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins.

I am the bread of life. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Therefore, anyone who eats the bread or drinks the cup unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.

Those are all in my Bible. I'm sorry they seem to have been stricken from yours. Even Martin Luther would tell you how wrong you are on this one.

39 posted on 05/07/2007 3:39:48 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The "plain words" of Jesus Christ were... "Do this in remembrance of me."

Red herring. The relevant part is:

"touto estin to swma mou" ("Hoc est corpus meum"), ("This is My Body"). (Matt 26:26; Mark 14:22; Luke 22:19)

-A8

41 posted on 05/07/2007 3:43:18 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Early Church Fathers on The Real Presence - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

45 posted on 05/07/2007 4:08:16 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You wrote: “The “plain words” of Jesus Christ were...
“Do this in remembrance of me.” No wizardly incantation, no magical elevation in height, transmogrifies the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.”

The word is “anamnesis”. It is poorly translated as “remembrance”. Like so many other words, anamnesis, means much more than what it is translated as.

Here is a good point about anamnesis: “In Scripture, the only other time when anamnesis is used, besides the Last Supper narratives in the synoptic Gospels and in First Corinthians, is in the sacrificial context of Hebrews 10:3 :
“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance (anamnesis) again made of sins every year.””

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a78.htm


61 posted on 05/07/2007 7:10:52 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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