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The Reality of Romanism
The Riddleblog ^ | May 10, 2007 | Kim Riddlebarger

Posted on 05/17/2007 10:08:04 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: adiaireton8; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; topcat54; irishtenor
So where's the "lie"?

So many to choose from, but in keeping with this article, let's say the lie here is that 5000 people were magically healed by "rice paper pills prepared by the monk over two hundred years ago."

If you believe this you probably also believe Benny Hinn clears sinuses and cures cancer.

Good luck at your next physical exam.

61 posted on 05/17/2007 12:23:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well they could rename themselves The House of Esau


62 posted on 05/17/2007 12:26:35 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings ("The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests." Andrew Jackson, President of U.S.)
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To: Running On Empty
Calling onself a Roman Catholic refers to the Roman or Latin Rite of Liturgy. There are Chaldean Catholics, Byzantine Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Melkite Catholics——we are all Catholics.

Precisely. I was taught this in about fifth grade.

63 posted on 05/17/2007 12:26:46 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Gamecock

Now that you are a Dr., does that mean we have to make appointments to ping you?


64 posted on 05/17/2007 12:29:00 PM PDT by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: Petronski
Yuck, "snake handler" is bad, isn't it? But the Reformed aren't snake handlers; that's the Charismatics.

I haven't seen a snake in our Presbyterian congregation since the choir director quit.

8~)

65 posted on 05/17/2007 12:30:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: IrishCatholic; xzins
For there is nothing but the same hatred in your hearts as that of a Jihadist.

That's the buzz word these days. Talk about how homosexuality is wrong and you hate homosexuals. Talk about how illegal immigrants are wrong for coming into the country illegally and you hate them. Talk about people who shouldn't have abortions and you hate them. Everyone who don't agree with your moral and theological views are hateful. I was just talking about this on another post.

It's very nice for sound bites.

66 posted on 05/17/2007 12:31:11 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...since the choir director quit.

**rimshot**

67 posted on 05/17/2007 12:32:13 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Gamecock

Maybe they do, I wouldn’t know. If a Mormon tells me that the word Mormon is offensive to him, I’ll use something else. This isn’t a matter of PC, it is a matter of civility. If a man wants to be called Robert, I don’t address him as Bob. What ever happened to being civil? The good doctor asked me how old I am. I am old enough to remember when conservatives believed in traditional values. And civility is a traditional value. Maybe it isn’t with generation X.

I assumed that gamecock, in posting the piece that spoke of “Romanism”, was implicitly endorsing it. If I was mistaken, and gamecock actually does not approve of such usage, then I am very happy to apologize to him.

I am not quite sure why several Protestants here are all worked up. Someone posted an article mocking certain aspects of the Catholic Church. That is where this began. I pointed out that the thing being mocked has biblical precedent. I also noted that Calvin and Luther did no miracles. Maybe that was not so nice on my part, but at least it was a rational argument, and not just mockery. The argument was that authenticated miracles are, if anything, evidence for not against a religion. (Well, maybe the part about the sick cow was mockery, I admit to that. Mea culpa.) I can understand if someone might have been annoyed by my posting about Luther and Calvin. What I cannot understand is why anyone who indulges in mockery and incivility would be upset at being criticized for mockery and incivility. At one level, I am happy that some Protestants continue to use terms like papist and Romanist. It is a confession of intellectual bankruptcy on their part. And that works to the advantage of Catholicism. In spite of that, I regret it, because I think it gives a very bad witness to non-Christians.

I no despiser of Protestantism. I have been asked to speak on religious subjects at quite a few Protestant churches and colleges, including conservative and evangelical ones. I have several very conservative Protestant pastors and theologians (some of national reputation) as my good friends. These good men do not go around mocking Catholicism and using silly terms like papist. They are grown-ups. They realize that it hurts the cause of Christ.


68 posted on 05/17/2007 12:33:04 PM PDT by smpb (smb)
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To: xzins
Oh, we'll win, alright.

((wink wink nudge nudge))

8~)

69 posted on 05/17/2007 12:34:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
let's say the lie here is that 5000 people were magically healed

Even the article never says they were "magically" healed. It says he is credited with 5,000 "miraculous" healings.

How do you know it is a lie? Or do you simply presume that healing claims are "lies" until proven otherwise?

-A8

70 posted on 05/17/2007 12:34:32 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: 1000 silverlings

lol. And it would sure be fun to rhyme.


71 posted on 05/17/2007 12:35:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL!!! Whew!!! Fortunately I live under grace and not the law. :O)


72 posted on 05/17/2007 12:36:12 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: irishtenor; Gamecock; drstevej
LOL. Where does he find the time?

I guess if Steve could be a pope, GC can be a doctor.

I wanna be a ballerina...with a CCW. 8~)

73 posted on 05/17/2007 12:39:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: smpb; Gamecock
Still on the subject of miracles: why is it that no miracle was ever done by the hands of Luther, Calvin or the other Reformers? Miracles were done through Moses, the prophets, the apostles, and holy men throughout history.

The last miracle recorded in Acts was by Paul and Barnabus. The city thought that the gods had come down and they wanted to worship them. They quickly corrected the people and then they people want to stone them because they were not gods.

Miracles don't go over very well.

74 posted on 05/17/2007 12:41:35 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I just want to be good looking, rich, and young forever :>)


75 posted on 05/17/2007 12:43:28 PM PDT by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: smpb; Gamecock
If a Mormon tells me that the word Mormon is offensive to him, I'll use something else.

I think you're missing the point. Gamecock was (probably) referring to the fact that Mormons now (as opposed to the past 150 years) want to call themselves (and have the world acknowledge them to be) "Christians."

However, the orthodox, historic, Scriptural understanding of the meaning of the word "Christian" implies a definite and proclaimed belief in the Trinity, which is shared among Protestants, Roman Catholics and the Orthodox, but certainly not among the Mormons who explicitly deny the Trinity.

76 posted on 05/17/2007 12:45:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Running On Empty; smpb

Let’s all develop some thicker skins, hmmm?

We needn’t come across like eight year old girls whining in the schoolyard that somebody has said something nasty to them. We have to expect some name calling and some attitude. After all, when people are opposed to us and have very little real justification for it, vitriolic vehemence and a vigourous flurry of misdirection go a long way.

In a way, I do admire those Jehovah’s Witnesses that show up at the door sprightly and upbeat even after a hard day’s walking from door to door to experience a variety of delivery of abuse. Or the LDS missionaries (or come to think of it, just about every Mormon that I’ve ever met).

So, with a smile on our (online) faces and purpose in our hearts, onward and upward.

Now, if I can only take my own excellent advice...


77 posted on 05/17/2007 12:46:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Do you remember Earnest Ansley (sp?) on TV and his KAPOW!

It was Earnest Angley. Bad rug, cherubic face and just before the KAPOW, ran the refrain "Evil demon, COME OUT!"

78 posted on 05/17/2007 12:47:08 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: irishtenor; Gamecock
If he answers, it will be a miracle :>)

One more and it can be St. Gamecock.

GC, what do you want to be the patron saint of?

79 posted on 05/17/2007 12:47:53 PM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: smpb; Gamecock
Gamecock did not use the word "Romanist."

You were the person who brought the word into the conversation in your post 15.

You owe him an apology since you wrongly accused him of using the word.

A "grown-up" would do as much.

80 posted on 05/17/2007 12:49:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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