Posted on 05/21/2007 6:59:42 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev 3:10).
God said He didnt appoint us to His wrath.
I believe Him.
Even if my interpretation of this promise is wrong, He is still right and worthy of all praise. But it seems very clear.
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I worry about it for loved ones who don’t have a relationship with Jesus Christ yet.
Or WHAT is in there. Brrr.
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I’m not convinced of pretrib rapture, but will try to be ready no matter when it happens. I think it’s spiritually and perhaps physically dangerous to expect pre trib and then not prepare (however you DO that) for pre wrath or other times.
Exactly. I’ve heard, and don’t know if this is so or not, that Christians who are not baptized in the Holy Spirit are the ones who have no oil in their lamps. It makes sense but I’m not trying to be dogmatic about it. Spirit filled Christians would be the ones to be more prepared and warned by the HS.
Very understandable and a quite concerning situation.
But tell me this. As a general rule. How should Christians spend their time? Worrying about what will happen according to God’s plan ... or actually witnessing to others?
It seems to me that worrying about The Rapture / Tribulation / End of Days is a waste of energy better spent living and teaching according to the great commandment.
I’m a pre wrath rapture person myself. Marvin Rosenthal, a Jewish believer, wrote a good book on “The PreWrath Rapture of the Church.” He used to be pre trib and suffered greatly at the hands of his old pre trib friends when he changed his stance. “The Sign” is another book written on pre wrath. Whatever, we just need to be aware and prepare.
We should always be witnessing. I believe God gives us the urgency to do just that as the time approaches.
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In one of the prophecies (not the Bible), it says that the last tyranny over man will be unlike all the previous ones in nature. James Martin and others even predict the year when computers will have taken over, past the point of return. They have a name for it, which escapes me right now. Martin, for one, doesn't seem disturbed by this. To me it seems logical, inevitable--and foreseen, if by people who couldn't conceive of computers and just saw its essence: bestial, not human.
The Singularity. There’s quite a lot about this on the Web, I see. And some people are appropriately alarmed by it.
I’ve heard, and don’t know if this is so or not, that Christians who are not baptized in the Holy Spirit are the ones who have no oil in their lamps. It makes sense but I’m not trying to be dogmatic about it. Spirit filled Christians would be the ones to be more prepared and warned by the HS.
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Good points.
I think all the Scriptures related to THE BEAST
will be literally true.
I don’t think the computer quite qualifies for all of them.
Certainly the computer will be used by The Beast.
And it’s been said that the computer banks in Brussels monitoring every human being in the developed countries plus many others . . . is called . . .
THE BEAST.
We shall see.
But then what is the Beast? Certainly not an actual animal, as we have dominion over the animals. Something nonhuman. Fits to a tee. If you read Nostradamus (which you might not believe), you see that he describes things in terms that he is familiar with, rather than terms that we are now familiar with.
I am always saying to myself, “Have enough oil in your lamp.” When I make a decision that I believe (or even know) is right, I keep reminding myself to carry through on it despite what may happen.
I suppose you haven’t heard of the Dracos?
Scripture talks of beasts rising out of the earth in the end times.
I’ll stick with the literal interpretation expectations.
The computer will likely be an auxiliary tool of THE BEAST.
Of course, if there’s a robotic computer controlled creation that is supernaturally brought to life as THE BEAST . . . that could conceivably be.
But my money at present is still on a flesh and blood demonized literal BEAST.
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I know what you mean. You imagine things will be a certain way, not sure why - but a combination of all that’s been read/watched in one’s lifetime and you create some idea of what it will be like in your mind — but you are right — it does seem to all be taking on a more a chaotic, frenzied, bumbling appearance as it unfolds, (as the presence of the Spirit of the Lord diminishes and the spirit of the end times and the antichrist increases). Like palsy, epilepsy, nail biting nervousness, like an unstable pysch patient about to spas out and charge over a cliff — but that is what a lot of the demon possessed are like in the NT.
Rev 12:12 ... Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.This verse gives us the context for the passage. Daniel is told that a period of 70 weeks are determined for completing six things:
The question we must answer is, have all these things taken place, i.e., have they all been fulfilled, or is something still left? In short, from the requirements in verse 24 is there any reason to posit an as-yet-future 70th week?
(25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.Messiah will come after the first 69 weeks. During this time the Temple will be rebuilt. I think most folks are in agreement on that one.
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.Again, after the 69 weeks Messiah will be "cut off," and the "people of the prince who shall come" will cause destruction to some upon Jerusalem and the Temple. And it will be a total desolation! How long after the 69th week? To answer your implied question, just because the reference is immediate, that does not mean the timing is also immediate. Does the structure of this verse require us to place the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in the 70th week? I don't believe it does.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.This verse relates directly to everything that has gone before. The "he" refers to Messiah the prince. That is the natural relationship between verses 26 and 27. Jesus "confirms" the New Covenant in His blood during this one week period. Jesus was sacrificed as the basis for the covenant in "the midst of the week." Jesus caused the sacrifices to cease by virtue of His sacrifice once-for-all. The Temple veil was ripped in two from top to bottom (Matt. 27:51). We know that Jesus' ministry lasted about 3-4 years. If we include the early apostolic ministry, especially the ministry to the Jews in Judea (the early chapters of the book of Acts), we have another 3-4 years. You might note that the severe persecution which arose in Judea against the church effectively ended the ability of the early disciples to evangelize their Jewish brethren (cf. Acts 8:1; 11:19). This was the end of the so-called 70th week.
It is not clear that the last portion of verse 27 is a reference to the actual timing of the "abomination of desolation," or whether the prophecy is simply claiming that during the 70th week the determination is made that there will be an "abomination." Certainly, we know the Jews sealed their own fate, and hence brought on the "abomination of desolation," by the actions against Messiah in AD33. Note the last phrase of verse 27: "and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." The determination was made, but the actual "pouring" was delayed. This delay gave the apostles an opportunity to preach the good news to many Jews living in Jerusalem and Judea prior to their destruction.
It is an unnatural interpretation of Scripture to require a future Temple be built so that a future "abomination" can occur. Jesus predicted the "abomination" in Matthew 24:15, and according to the parallel passage in Luke 21 we know that that abomination referred to the armies of Titus which surrounded the city in AD70 (at least that's the way the Christians in Jerusalem before AD70 understood it). It's plain from Jesus' interpretation of Daniel 9 that He understood it to be speaking of events that would fall upon "this generation," and He warned His disciples to be prepared.
It is incorrect interpretation to separate the first 69 weeks of the Daniel 9 prophecy from the 70th week by an unknown period of time. There is no reason to do so since all the conditions of the 70 weeks have been fulfilled.
So we see that all the conditions of Daniel 9:24 were satisfied in the continuous time period, mostly during the 70th week. Therefore, Daniel's entire prophecy is a matter of history.
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