Posted on 06/15/2007 5:33:53 AM PDT by Between the Lines
Perhaps you might also check with ArrogantBustard who, along with others, can read where this article clearly contradicts what seems to be strongly-held opinions by the laity.
Please see post #47.
Loved the footnote!
Reggie, Reggie, Reggie,
That was not well said, not well at all.
Father, forgive him, for he knows not what he says.
Wow! I’m ever so sorry. They published THREE WHOLE ARTICLES!!!!
You damn them with faint praise.
As has been previously noted, the Catholic Church is a better target for lazy journalists. We do their research for them ... As has also been previously noted, MSM hate all Christians, so it's inevitable that sooner or later they'll come after the Protestants, Evangelicals, etc. If they can stir their lazy behinds.
Makes me wonder if the Scouts keep a central list or the Department of Education for all teachers who’ve been reported. Can’t say that I’ve ever seen anything like that published.
Can't say that I have seen it either. Catholics have been wondering this for some years, now.
I am in the habit of ignoring your posts, on the grounds that I find them to be either distorted, edited for shock value, or simply wrong; worse that any interpretation you include in your posts evidences, IMO, an apparently willful refusal to understand the subject matter.
Just so you know.
And the excerpt you posted in no way contradicts anything I posted.
Good Bye.
He admitted the charge, was removed from the pulpit immediately, and was sent into Christian counseling as it should be performed. He has not returned to the ministry.
This is the norm for Protestant pastors' transgressions. Very few pastors commit homosexual acts or sexual acts with children.
Frankly, that was my only intent.
I look forward to your comments. I am certain that they will continue to be the epitome of Christian charity and disciplined logical thought as always. They are certain to be a true reflection of St. Paul's teachings in I Cor 3.
That's a big if, cuz protties aren't like low hanging fruit in the same way as the Catholic Church. Though this article shows a creative approach, it didn't require very much of the shoe leather that would be needed to get an article about protties with a lotta pop. Who knows though, this might cause a slew of victims to come out of the woodwork & we'll get personalized heart wrenchers, which statistical pieces lack.
Any offending ministers are removed from the pulpit. In contrast, the RCC shuffles pedophiles around from parish to parish, permitting them to continue their terrible sins against God and children.
"The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.
The figures released to The Associated Press offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down — the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.
Religious groups and victims' supporters have been keenly interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950."
If we multiply "upward of 260" times the 57 years since 1950, that's not a number that makes anyone comfortable.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance? I think that applies to our religious freedom as well as our political freedom. We all need to remain vigilant. The predators won't stop seeking their prey.
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"Old" is right. :)
One thing to note:
Catholic: Credible Accusations
Prot: Reports of
Big Difference:
That being the case this is still something the church should not hide and yes we need to be always on guard.
I don't "edit for shock value" and I always link any excerpt to the original essay.
Nor do I "willfully refuse to understand the subject matter." The "subject matter" could be understood by any third grader. The errors of the RCC are clear and easily refuted in Scripture. As God wills.
And the excerpt you posted in no way contradicts anything I posted.
You posted in #38...
"Yes, we believe that Holy Orders leaves an "indelible mark" on their soul ... but it doesn't make them anything other than human.
This appears to be another case where the laity does not understand its own catechism.
I'll refer you to post #46 which includes a link to the original article found in an RCC publication, written by an RCC priest.
The Catholic faith teaches that the priest is another Christ, an alter Christus... Orders produce an ontological or real change in the one ordained. Simply stated, the Catholic priest is another Christ... The priest is an alter Christus, another Christ... "What is the identity of the priest? It is the identity of Christ himself." "the proper task of the priest consists in being a mediator between God and men ...
This clearly contradicts your assertion in post #38 that RC priests are nothing "other than human."
"I am in the habit of ignoring your posts, on the grounds that I find them to be either distorted, edited for shock value, or simply wrong; worse that any interpretation you include in your posts evidences, IMO, an apparently willful refusal to understand the subject matter."
Maybe you should try ignoring your own posts. It seems that the magisterium does.
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Exactly right. It's not a matter of Catholic, Protestant or other, it's a matter of sin/evil. That cuts across all lines.
Did you read the article? That excerpt reads in full...
"upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.
That tally includes all sorts of people, not just the clergy. Unlike the RCC clergy whose ranks are literally filled with sexual deviates.
The opinions of this priest may be worthy of discussion, but they do not necessarily approach doctrine. As was said, priests are human. As are we all. For a look at our Catechism, see here:
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I should have said "may not be in agreement with the Vatican" here.
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