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To: A.A. Cunningham; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy
You folks who claim to know Scripture should actually try reading it and make sure you don't rely on an abridged heavily edited version of the original either when you're attempting to make an argument. You're inability to understand that there is a distinct difference between the Ministerial Priesthood and the common presthood is quite telling.

There is NO provision for priests in the new church. The priest was a type of Christ and He became both priest and sacrifice.

Put down the false Catholic translation and read with me . "For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:" Titus 1:5

Tts 1:5 ¶ For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

From the latin vulgate

huius rei gratia reliqui te Cretae ut ea quae desunt corrigas et constituas per civitates presbyteros sicut ego tibi disposui Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D.

presbyteros

a term of rank or office a) among the Jews

1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably

"And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed." Acts 14:22

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

"For every high priest taken from among men, is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifices for sins:" Hebrews 5:1

LOL, that is referring to the JEWISH Priesthood that Jesus came to fulfill

The book of Hebrews explains why the priesthood was destroyed, that was its purpose

Hbr 9:9 Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hbr 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: '

"Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood." 1 Timothy 4:14

1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

"And indeed they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is to say, of their brethren: though they themselves also came out of the loins of Abraham." Hebrews 7:5

This is about the JEWISH priesthood, not the new church and the tithes Abraham gave to Melchisedec,

"Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord." James 5:14

Jam 5:13 ¶ Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Jam 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jam 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

"Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5

My friend you have a real problem rightly dividing the word of God. This is to new believers. This is about the priesthood of the believer.

1Pe 2:1 ¶ Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord [is] gracious.
1Pe 2:4 ¶ To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

What did Peter consider himself?

1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

" Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood" Acts 20:28

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Does that sound like your Bishops?

episkopos

1) an overseer
a) a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent
b) the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church

"Paul and Timothy, the servants of Jesus Christ; to all the saints in Christ Jesus, who are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons." Philippians 1:1

No mention of a priesthood here, only the roles outlined in the NT..

"A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." 1 Timothy 3:3 "Deacons in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre:" 1 Timothy 3:8 Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

For a review

The role of Priest was never one outlined in the New Testament. The role of priest was a foreshadow of Christ as king and Priest and Lamb. Once Jesus fulfilled His task the priesthood was no longer needs as we have a High Priest in heaven that offers sacrifices for us

God destroyed the Jewish priesthood in 70 AD as the type was fulfilled

In Greek the word for Priest is hiereus

1) a priest, one who offers sacrifices and in general in busied with sacred rites

a) referring to priests of Gentiles or the Jews,
2) metaph. of Christians, because, purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close intercourse with God, they devote their life to him alone and to Christ

The title priest was never listed in the roles for the new church

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

NO Priest as the perfect Lamb had been slain

You need a proper bible

165 posted on 06/16/2007 12:33:23 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: ears_to_hear
AMEN!!! Thank you for such solid Scriptural understanding of His word. God is glorified by it.

For all those with ears to hear and eyes to see, let them read the Scriptures and know their salvation, God willing.

169 posted on 06/16/2007 12:46:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ears_to_hear; A.A. Cunningham; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy

Excellent deconstruction and destruction of a blatant attempt to misuse Scripture. Would that the poster had spent as much time and energy in a sincere search for Truth in the Scripture.


177 posted on 06/16/2007 1:35:21 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! Romans 7:25)
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To: ears_to_hear

very good post, thank you


178 posted on 06/16/2007 1:35:36 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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To: ears_to_hear
I've got one, unlike that copy of the abridged, heavily edited version which showed up 12 centuries after the original, that you feel compelled to use as a crutch.

St. Jerome's words from the fourth century continue to be so pertinent today and they continue to fall on deaf ears, particularly on these threads.

"Ignorance of Scripture is Ignorance of Christ".

You and your colleagues would be well served to heed the words of St. Peter but that is highly unlikely.

"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16

During your particular judgments, don't claim you weren't warned.

210 posted on 06/17/2007 4:40:54 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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