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Vatican reiterates hardline on primacy of Catholic Church
Philippine Star ^ | 7/10/2007

Posted on 07/10/2007 6:03:29 AM PDT by markomalley

VATICAN CITY (AFP) - The Vatican set itself on a collision course with other Christian faiths Tuesday, reaffirming the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church in a corrective document designed to clear up recent "erroneous" doctrine.

The document's central claim that the Catholic Church is "the one true Church of Christ", is likely to revive a debate which has dogged the Vatican's dealings with other Christian faiths for decades.

Other Christian faiths "lack elements considered essential to the Catholic Church," it said.

The 16-page text -- released by the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and ratified by the pope -- "constitutes a clear reaffirmation of Catholic doctrine on the Church," according to an attached commentary.

Basically a restatement of bedrock Vatican doctrine, its release was prompted "because some contemporary theological research has been erroneous or ambiguous," the commentary said.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; primacy; viniusinvictus
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To: Aggie Mama

The guitar player got no encouragement nor the lady who was concerned about extra ordinaries on the altar. Altar girls a thing of the past?

Now we will see who comes first to the priest, the Holy Father or socials and friends in the Church hall?


21 posted on 07/10/2007 6:39:48 AM PDT by franky1
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To: netmilsmom
*snicker* Neither do I, or any Catholics. Is that what you think we do? Get on the Popephone to talk to God?

In a way, you are. As you have things decided for you about how you will worship and the words you use. These are the ultimate responsibility of the Pope.

22 posted on 07/10/2007 6:40:52 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: markomalley
I went to an elite Private Catholic High School. We were taught that doctrine. We were also taught that we shouldn't bring Protestants to the Proms, that Jews were at the bottom of the list and could never get to heaven. We were told that if one were Catholic, they were obligated to vote for JFK. I was temporarily suspended for saying that was ridiculous..

We were shipped on a bus with red and white striped hats in hand. What did JFKL say?? Not much. The accent was overwhelming and that's all you heard.

When I told my dad about my day, he informed me about Bootleg Joe and that was my first real lesson in politics. It was 1960 or 1961.

Lest I forget...Kisses under the count of 10 were venial sins. Over that...straight to hell!

23 posted on 07/10/2007 6:42:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Bosco
Matthew 12:25 KJV And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Pope Benedict knows that the battle against radical Islam requires Christianity to be united. If we are too busy arguing over John 6, how are we going to notice the devil that has just slipped into our house?

24 posted on 07/10/2007 6:42:10 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: EarthBound
In a way, you are. As you have things decided for you about how you will worship and the words you use. These are the ultimate responsibility of the Pope.

And this is a problem because...? Yes, the Mass and prayers like the Liturgy of the Hours are pre-defined, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It allows us to pray the Scriptures in a manner that we may not be able to otherwise. Also, it allows a continuity of worship from place to place and from time to time.

Also, Catholics are quite free to pray extemporaneously on our own, or in groups outside of Mass, if we so choose.

25 posted on 07/10/2007 6:46:13 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: markomalley
You guys keep going on and claiming that.

Meanwhile, the Southern Baptists have been more of a Godly influence in the World for the past fifty years than the entirety of the worldwide RCC.

Meanwhile, those heretical Anabaptists like the Amish and the Mennonites are first on the disaster scene and actually DEMONSTRATE their Christianity by the way they help out the victims; while RCC priests are ... where, exactly?

26 posted on 07/10/2007 6:51:18 AM PDT by ikka
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To: GCC Catholic
Also, Catholics are quite free to pray extemporaneously on our own, or in groups outside of Mass, if we so choose

I know that, I married into a Catholic family. I attend Mass on a weekly basis, though we go to the Life Teen with a live band and a lot of singing. For me worship is a vast majority of singing, and it should be.

27 posted on 07/10/2007 6:51:42 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: GCC Catholic

>>Also, Catholics are quite free to pray extemporaneously on our own, or in groups outside of Mass, if we so choose.<<

Amen!
I have never gotten a call from the Vatican when I got together with other Christians to pray for schools. Not a single Hail Mary was said there.

My Popephone must be out of order!


28 posted on 07/10/2007 6:52:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: NYer

One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic bump....


29 posted on 07/10/2007 6:53:29 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic bump....

When we do the Prayer of the Faithful in Mass, I skip that line.

30 posted on 07/10/2007 6:56:28 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: ikka

Here’s one for a start.....
http://www.huongduong.org/giaoxu/tintuc/VoA%20092605.htm

Do a Google search on “Catholic aid (any disaster)”. You’ll see.

The problem is that we are already there and helping while the Amish and Mennonites have to travel to a disaster. Makes a better news story too.

The MSM only covers Catholics when they are doing something wrong. And that is the same for almost ANY Chirstian group. You don’t see the Youth Groups of any denomination rebuilding. Ours has been going since the hurricane. Borrowing parishioners rvs to go.

You don’t see THAT on the news. Only the buggies.


31 posted on 07/10/2007 7:01:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Frumanchu; topcat54
Same story, other sources & headlines....

The Earth Times:
Vatican document reaffirms Catholic Church's supremacy
Forbes/Associated Press:
Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches
Monsters & Critics:
Vatican document reaffirms Catholic Church's supremacy
Washington Post/Reuters:
Vatican says other Christian churches "wounded"
Australian Broadcasting Corp.:
Vatican hits 'wounded' Christian churches
International Herald Tribune:
Vatican repeats other Christian denominations are not true churches

32 posted on 07/10/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: Bosco
I cracked up when I read that verse. That is a glaring example of making your own personal interpretation of scripture fit whatever situation you want it to. Since it suits your purposes the plural MUST mean different denominations rather than the ONE Church connected by a common belief and liturgy to the other churches taught by Paul.

How many denominations do you think that Paul started and corresponded with?

33 posted on 07/10/2007 7:03:21 AM PDT by tiki
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To: markomalley

“So tell me, how many divisions does the Pope have?”

Joseph Stalin


34 posted on 07/10/2007 7:08:02 AM PDT by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I was taught that if you swim in a pool with a boy, you could get pregnant.

Good thing we’re past all that stuff.


35 posted on 07/10/2007 7:11:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: ikka

Our priests are not the whole church. And, in Catholic school, I was taught not to hide my light under a bushel, but also not to toot my own horn. I bet you have no idea how many Catholic high school students have been taking their spring breaks and Christmas vacation to work on Katrina relief in the south.

We just do it, we don’t have to brag about it and call a press conference. Come to think about it, neither do the Amish and the Mennonites.


36 posted on 07/10/2007 7:11:43 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: markomalley
The document's central claim that the Catholic Church is "the one true Church of Christ", is likely to revive a debate which has dogged the Vatican's dealings with other Christian faiths for decades. Other Christian faiths "lack elements considered essential to the Catholic Church," it said.

A Church which believes that it was commissioned by Christ and possesses the totality of truth.

Imagine that.

It shouldn't be necessary to say this but it's probably worth pointing out that any Church which does not believe this has no business hanging out its shingle and needs to fold its tent and cease operations.

37 posted on 07/10/2007 7:12:54 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: EarthBound

I guess everyone in your church services worships and says different things all at the same time? In Mass, I participate with the liturgy and prayers of the Mass but when I am not at Mass I pray and worship any way I want and use any words I want. Some people are just absurd in their prejudices.


38 posted on 07/10/2007 7:13:57 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Alex Murphy

Trent is alive and well.


39 posted on 07/10/2007 7:14:29 AM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: franky1

>>Now we will see who comes first to the priest, the Holy Father or socials and friends in the Church hall?<<

Sucker’s bet in some parishes.
We just went “Up North” last week. We attended a parish that pulls the kids for “Children’s Liturgy of the Word” The whole parish gave the “Nazi salute” to “bless” the kids before they left. Yikes!
My girls, who never have this “ministry” at home, wanted to go. I said okay. UNTIL I realized that they were not coming back for the offertory! I had to run and get them before they missed Holy Mass!

I said no more “Children’s Liturgy of the Word”!


40 posted on 07/10/2007 7:15:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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