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Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)
Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins

Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years?

Wednesday, 11 July 2007

Yesterday's Reuters headline: "The Vatican on Tuesday said Christian denominations outside the Roman Catholic Church were not full churches of Jesus Christ." The actual proclamation, posted on the official Vatican Web site, says that Protestant Churches are really "ecclesial communities" rather than Churches, because they lack apostolic succession, and therefore they "have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery." Furthermore, not even the Eastern Orthodox Churches are real Churches, even though they were explicitly referred to as such in the Vatican document Unitatis Redintegratio (Decree on Ecumenism). The new document explains that they were only called Churches because "the Council wanted to adopt the traditional use of the term." This new clarification, issued officially by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, but in fact strongly supported by Pope Benedict XVI, manages to insult both Protestants and the Orthodox, and it may set ecumenism back a hundred years.

The new document, officially entitled "Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church," claims that the positions it takes do not reverse the intent of various Vatican II documents, especially Unitatis Redintegratio, but merely clarify them. In support of this contention, it cites other documents, all issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: Mysterium Ecclesiae (1973), Communionis notio (1992), and Dominus Iesus (2000). The last two of these documents were issued while the current pope, as Cardinal Ratzinger, was prefect of the Congregation. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was born in 1542 with the name Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition, and for centuries it has operated as an extremely conservative force with the Roman Catholic Church, opposing innovation and modernizing tendencies, suppressing dissent, and sometimes, in its first few centuries, persecuting those who believed differently. More recently, the congregation has engaged in the suppression of some of Catholicism's most innovative and committed thinkers, such as Yves Congar, Hans Küng, Charles Curran, Matthew Fox, and Jon Sobrino and other liberation theologians. In light of the history of the Congregation of the Faith, such conservative statements as those released this week are hardly surprising, though they are quite unwelcome.

It is natural for members of various Christian Churches to believe that the institutions to which they belong are the best representatives of Christ's body on earth--otherwise, why wouldn't they join a different Church? It is disingenuous, however, for the leader of a Church that has committed itself "irrevocably" (to use Pope John Paul II's word in Ut Unum Sint [That They May Be One] 3, emphasis original) to ecumenism to claim to be interested in unity while at the same time declaring that all other Christians belong to Churches that are in some way deficient. How different was the attitude of Benedict's predecessors, who wrote, "In subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the [Roman] Catholic Church--for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame" (Unitatis Redintegratio 3). In Benedict's view, at various times in history groups of Christians wandered from the original, pure Roman Catholic Church, and any notion of Christian unity today is predicated on the idea of those groups abandoning their errors and returning to the Roman Catholic fold. The pope's problem seems to be that he is a theologian rather than a historian. Otherwise he could not possibly make such outrageous statements and think that they were compatible with the spirit of ecumenism that his immediate predecessors promoted.

One of the pope's most strident arguments against the validity of other Churches is that they can't trace their bishops' lineages back to the original apostles, as the bishops in the Roman Catholic Church can. There are three problems with this idea.

First, many Protestants deny the importance of apostolic succession as a guarantor of legitimacy. They would argue that faithfulness to the Bible and/or the teachings of Christ is a better measure of authentic Christian faith than the ability to trace one's spiritual ancestry through an ecclesiastical bureaucracy. A peripheral knowledge of the lives of some of the medieval and early modern popes (e.g., Stephen VI, Sergius III, Innocent VIII, Alexander VI) is enough to call the insistence on apostolic succession into serious question. Moreover, the Avignon Papacy and the divided lines of papal claimants in subsequent decades calls into serious question the legitimacy of the whole approach. Perhaps the strongest argument against the necessity of apostolic succession comes from the Apostle Paul, who was an acknowledged apostle despite not having been ordained by one of Jesus' original twelve disciples. In fact, Paul makes much of the fact that his authority came directly from Jesus Christ rather than from one of the apostles (Gal 1:11-12). Apostolic succession was a useful tool for combating incipient heresy and establishing the antiquity of the churches in particular locales, but merely stating that apostolic succession is a necessary prerequisite for being a true church does not make it so.

The second problem with the new document's insistence upon apostolic succession is the fact that at least three other Christian communions have apostolic succession claims that are as valid as that of the Roman Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox Churches, which split from the Roman Catholic Church in 1054, can trace their lineages back to the same apostles that the Roman Catholic Church can, a fact acknowledged by Unitatis Redintegratio 14. The Oriental Orthodox Churches, such as the Coptic and Ethiopic Orthodox Churches, split from the Roman Catholic Church several centuries earlier, but they too can trace their episcopal lineages back to the same apostles claimed by the Roman Catholic Church as its founders. Finally, the Anglican Church, which broke away from the Roman Catholic Church during the reign of King Henry VIII, can likewise trace the lineage of every bishop back through the first archbishop of Canterbury, Augustine. In addition to these three collections of Christian Churches, the Old Catholics and some Methodists also see value in the idea of apostolic succession, and they can trace their episcopal lineages just as far back as Catholic bishops can.

The third problem with the idea of apostolic succession is that the earliest bishops in certain places are simply unknown, and the lists produced in the third and fourth centuries that purported to identify every bishop back to the founding of the church in a particular area were often historically unreliable. Who was the founding bishop of Byzantium? Who brought the gospel to Alexandria? To Edessa? To Antioch? There are lists that give names (e.g., http://www.friesian.com/popes.htm), such as the Apostles Mark (Alexandria), Andrew (Byzantium), and Thaddeus (Armenia), but the association of the apostles with the founding of these churches is legendary, not historical. The most obvious breakdown of historicity in the realm of apostolic succession involves none other than the see occupied by the pope, the bishop of Rome. It is certain that Peter did make his way to Rome before the time of Nero, where he perished, apparently in the Neronian persecution following the Great Fire of Rome, but it is equally certain that the church in Rome predates Peter, as it also predates Paul's arrival there (Paul also apparently died during the Neronian persecution). The Roman Catholic Church may legitimately claim a close association with both Peter and Paul, but it may not legitimately claim that either was the founder of the church there. The fact of the matter is that the gospel reached Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Edessa, and other early centers of Christianity in the hands of unknown, faithful Christians, not apostles, and the legitimacy of the churches established there did not suffer in the least because of it.

All the talk in the new document about apostolic succession is merely a smokescreen, however, for the main point that the Congregation of the Faith and the pope wanted to drive home: recognition of the absolute primacy of the pope. After playing with the words "subsists in" (Lumen Gentium [Dogmatic Constitution on the Church] 8) and "church" (Unitatis Redintegratio 14) in an effort to make them mean something other than what they originally meant, the document gets down to the nitty-gritty. "Since communion with the Catholic Church, the visible head of which is the Bishop of Rome and the Successor of Peter, is not some external complement to a particular Church but rather one of its internal constitutive principles, these venerable Christian communities lack something in their condition as particular churches." From an ecumenical standpoint, this position is a non-starter. Communion with Rome and acknowledging the authority of the pope as bishop of Rome is a far different matter from recognizing the pope as the "visible head" of the entire church, without peer. The pope is an intelligent man, and he knows that discussions with other Churches will make no progress on the basis of this prerequisite, so the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the pope, despite his protestations, has no interest in pursuing ecumenism. Trying to persuade other Christians to become Roman Catholics, which is evidently the pope's approach to other Churches, is not ecumenism, it's proselytism.

Fortunately, this document does not represent the viewpoint of all Catholics, either laypeople or scholars. Many ordinary Catholics would scoff at the idea that other denominations were not legitimate Churches, which just happen to have different ideas about certain topics and different ways of expressing a common Christianity. Similarly, many Catholic scholars are doing impressive work in areas such as theology, history, biblical study, and ethics, work that interacts with ideas produced by non-Catholic scholars. In the classroom and in publications, Catholics and non-Catholics learn from each other, challenge one another, and, perhaps most importantly, respect one another.

How does one define the Church? Christians have many different understandings of the term, and Catholics are divided among themselves, as are non-Catholics. The ecumenical movement is engaged in addressing this issue in thoughtful, meaningful, and respectful ways. Will the narrow-minded view expressed in "Responses" be the death-knell of the ecumenical movement? Hardly. Unity among Christians is too important an idea to be set aside. Will the document set back ecumenical efforts? Perhaps, but Christians committed to Christian unity--Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant alike--will get beyond it. The ecumenical movement is alive and well, and no intemperate pronouncement from the Congregation of the Faith, or the current pope, can restrain it for long. Even if ecumenism, at least as it involves the Roman Catholic Church's connection with other Churches, is temporarily set back a hundred years, that distance can be closed either by changes of heart or changes of leadership.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: apostolic; catholic; fascinatedwcatholics; givemerome; obsessionwithrome; papistsrule; pope; protestant; solascriptura
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To: irishtenor

***Please tell me you are not saying that God failed and had to go to plan B.***

The entire OT and the early part of the New were to the Jews. Paul was recruited after the bulk of the Jews rejected Christ. The Jews, the Chosen People, rejected Christ. Do you understand what this means?


13,161 posted on 02/06/2008 6:03:57 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

***Paul was recruited...***

Again a Plan “B” idea.

It was all God’s plan IN THE BEGINNING. There was no “shucks, look what they did now! Ok, time for plan “B”.”

Do you understand what THAT means? GOD is in control!


13,162 posted on 02/06/2008 7:22:26 PM PST by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: irishtenor

If everything was micromanaged down to the nanosecond, then why in the world would God spend the entire OT and much of the New attempting to get the Jews accept Christ and having it fail?

I would say that this is evidence that God does not micromanage. He lets His people do as they will, with certain guidance from His Church (AD) and let the chips fall where they may.

I think that it goes back to the understanding of the Catholics that God allows people the dignity (and the consequences) of free will versus the understanding of the Calvinists that the Holy Spirit picks the names of the elite out of the cosmic bingo ball and frogmarches them into heaven and sends the rest of humanity to everlasting fire in hell.


13,163 posted on 02/07/2008 5:10:38 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Gamecock; Forest Keeper; xzins

Maybe your God failed, but the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Danial, David, Noah, Moses, Adam, Seth, etc. did not fail, does not fail, will not fail. Frogmarch yourself to your church and blindly obey everything they tell you. You have the free will to do it.


13,164 posted on 02/07/2008 6:41:54 PM PST by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: Zero Sum; Kolokotronis; kosta50; irishtenor
Kolo: Are bats really birds because “The Bible tells me so”?

ZS: Obviously not. Although there are some confused people who might say that, that's generally not what people mean when they say that Scripture is "inerrant".

Of course bats really WERE birds because the Bible says so. This type of argument [e.g. whale/fish] may be the single one I have with Apostolics that mystifies me the most. Calling anything by a name, or saying it is a bird or a fish or a mammal is simply a man-made classification system. It has no relationship to what is "true" since we can choose to classify things in any way we want and it will make no difference whatsoever (as long as it is internally consistent). Some classifications systems have proved more detailed over time so we say they are "better" or more "useful". That is fine, but it does not make the earlier systems "wrong".

The earlier system presumably called all winged animals "birds". That was not WRONG, as it seemed to serve their purposes just fine. It was only later that someone decided to make up a new classification system. That's fine too, but it has nothing to do with the truth of the earlier system. It is simply a DIFFERENT system.

According to this article, How Linnaeus named life on Earth, apparently some guy named Carl Linnaeus, a Swedish naturalist, came up with something very close to the current system just under 300 years ago. So, do we say that he PROVED the Bible wrong? Of course not. He just decided to call things by different names, and lots of people signed on. No problem, but it has nothing to do with the Bible. I could make up a new classification system myself that might put men and dolphins in the same group, but not sheep, based on intelligence. This would be correct, but it would NOT prove Linnaeus or the Bible wrong because we "disagreed".

13,165 posted on 02/10/2008 8:26:18 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: MarkBsnr; irishtenor; kosta50; Kolokotronis
Gnostics are “people who know”, and their knowledge at once constitutes them a superior class of beings, whose present and future status was essentially different from that of those who, for whatever reason, did not know. Seems like your confession fits the bill quite well.

Not at all. If Gnostics believed they were a special class of people, to whom only special knowledge would flow, then according to Reformers we are no more Gnostic than you are, since we have no more special access to the knowledge of God than you do, as Christians.

The confessions certainly do distinguish between Christians and non-Christians in terms of ABILITY to know because the former has been given grace, which is required to know as the Bible tells us. However, I am unaware of where the confessions say that Reformers can know something that other Christians cannot (if they were willing to give up then current beliefs).

A few Latins here have made kind offers to me to, in effect, come to the true faith of the Apostolic Church. I assume those offers would not have been made if the person thought there was some impediment beyond my control that would prevent me from making the switch. (Otherwise, it would have just been mean, and I have never gotten that impression. :) It is the same with us. As a Christian there would be nothing preventing you from becoming a Reformer. (I was once a non-Reformed Christian.) There are no Reformed "secrets" that are "beyond" your understanding, just as there were none that stopped me. Further, it is not required at all to be a Reformer to get into Heaven. One just need be a saved Christian. I am hoping that all of these points would draw a strong distinction in your mind between Gnosticism and Reformed theology.

13,166 posted on 02/10/2008 9:38:09 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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