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To: kosta50

As you see it. I will not argue with you about something you haven’t experienced.


13,102 posted on 01/29/2008 9:43:28 PM PST by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: irishtenor; kosta50

***As you see it. I will not argue with you about something you haven’t experienced.***

The problem with the concept of the indwelling Holy Spirit as proclaimed by the enlightened ones of the Reformation is that this is exactly what was proclaimed by the enlightened Gnostics.

Reformation theology makes no sense; neither does the indwelling if compared to the indwelling of the clinically insane. God certainly does indwell the believers; yet the like of Charles Manson claims indwelling.

To sneeringly claim that one will not argue about an experience that one has not, well, experienced, is silly. It does not convince. It does not follow.

It is, however, Gnostic. Does that please you?


13,103 posted on 01/29/2008 9:53:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: irishtenor; MarkBsnr
As you see it. I will not argue with you about something you haven’t experienced

Look, I have no problem with you believing whatever it is that you experience. We (the Apostolic Church) do not believe what you (Protestant Calvinists) believe.

Your side claims that everything man does is God's will. To me, that sounds like putting everying we do (good or evil) in God's lap.

Now that we know what we believe, what's there to argue about? But, if by "argument" you suggest that you are right and we are wrong, or that somehow we both state unreasonable claims, I say prove it!

Since I don't claim being captive or led, I have nothing to prove. Your side, on the other hand, claims the indwelling Holy Spirit leading you to sanctification.

Tell me, is it an infallible knowledge the Calvinsits claim? Or is it possible that what appears to be the Holy Spirit might be indwelling Satan disguised as the Angel of Light? If so, how would you know (since you would be deceived)?

I find it interesting if not amusing that the Reformed deny the Holy Spirit working through sacraments in His Church, yet claim with absolute certainty the Holy Spirit working in them!

They so readily question the infallibility of the Church and its Councils, yet claim with complete conviction that they infallibly know what indwells them is the Holy Spirit and not demons.

As Mark observed: it is this kind of hidden, personal knoweldge that makes Calvinism at its core totally Gnostic.

13,105 posted on 01/30/2008 1:14:26 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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