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Old Dispensationalists Never Die . . . And They Never Seem to Fade Away . . .
Riddleblog ^ | 8/3/2007 | Kim Riddlebarger

Posted on 08/09/2007 7:47:51 AM PDT by topcat54

I was making my semi-annual trip through the local Christian bookstore (actually, a trinket store) when I saw the third reincarnation of John F. Walvoord's best-seller Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East. Originally published back in 1974 by Zondervan, the book was re-issued with a snazzy new cover after Operation Desert Storm in 1990.

Lo and behold, here it was again on the shelves of a Christian bookstore! This time published by Tyndale with an update (apparently) by Mark Hitchcock. I refused to buy it (since I've already purchased the two prior incarnations), so I can't tell you what has been updated. But the title says it all. Now that Saddam Hussein is pushing up daisies somewhere near Tikrit, the focus switches from a Soviet-Arab invasion of Israel and a revived Babylonian empire, to a more general Muslim threat to Israel and the new foil of dispensational end-times theorizing--Islamic terrorism.

Dr. Walvoord, who died in 2002 and now a member of the church triumphant, obviously, was not able to contribute to the new edition.

The shamelessness with which books like this can be corrected, updated and then republished with new covers and a new chapter or two, only to sell a gazillion more copies, is simply breathtaking. Doesn't it trouble people that the 1974 edition and the 1990 edition got many things wrong? I thought if we interpreted the Bible "literally" all the mysteries regarding the end-times would be cleared up.

The Soviet Union no longer exists . . . Saddam Hussein is dead . . . Militant Islam is the new menace from the east (displacing Communism and a revived Babylonian empire). Barring the return of our blessed Savior, I suspect another edition, with another new cover, is a mere ten years away. I can only imagine how the cover art and title will be tweaked this time.

As one who has written two books on eschatology, let me just say, if you see a new edition of A Case for Amillennialism or Man of Sin, in which my exegesis is "updated and corrected" to explain an as yet unforeseen world event that I failed to predict, don't buy it. It means I didn't know what I was talking about!

That being said, I am now hard at work on an expanded eschatology text which will deal with a broader range of eschatological issues, including preterism and postmillennialism. We do need a Reformed/covenantal/amillennial equivalent of the venerable J. Dwight Pentecost's Things to Come. Lord willing, this will come to fruition . . .


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To: Quix
Christ’s chiding the Pharisees . . .

who could discern the weather but not the prophetic times and seasons.

you mean this?:

" 54 He also said to the crowds, “When you see a cloud rising in the west, you say at once, ‘A shower is coming.’ And so it happens. 55 And when you see the south wind blowing, you say, ‘There will be scorching heat,’ and it happens. 56 You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to interpret the present time? "

It's about Jesus' first coming.

The Pharasees saw this guy preaching the Kingdom of God and/or Heaven, saw him healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, etc. It went [whoosh!] right over their heads. They watched for a herald with the face, name and fingerprints of Elijah (the letteralist interpretation of Malachi 4), and missed the herald with spirit and power of Elijah (the true (Jesus said so) interpretation of that prophecy).

Read that passage again from the modern prophetic perspective

I'm guessing by "the modern prophetic perspective" you mean dispensationalism? To run it through that filter would be to presuppose what's in question.

41 posted on 08/11/2007 9:49:43 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Lee N. Field

Interesting translation you chose.

I think you know that’s not the only plausible one.

I certainly don’t think it’s the most likely one.


42 posted on 08/11/2007 1:53:30 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
I quoted Luke 12: 54-56 using the English Standard Version, which I've set as default in Gnomesword.
43 posted on 08/11/2007 4:44:16 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Lee N. Field

Actually, I don’t quibble about the “preesent time” translation.

But I do quibble that we can quite reasonably and logically use the analogy Christ was making then about the pharisees failing to discern the times of His coming the first time

to be just as applicable about the current era’s pharisees failing to discern the era of His 2nd Coming.


44 posted on 08/12/2007 6:32:52 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
OK, but it's just an analogy. People from many generations between then and now have thought they knew, for absolutely sure, they they had discerned the season of His coming, Real Soon Now. "The Turks are on the move. Sure sign."

The ESV inherits that particular rendering from the RSV. KJV and ASV (and 1599 Geneva) have "this time". Maybe if I can get motivated I'll go find my Greek NT and see if my rusty Koine skills are up to puzzling out why the RSV and ESV translators made that a little more definite. (NIV also renders "this present time.")

45 posted on 08/12/2007 7:57:15 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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