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Not sure I’ve found the particular researcher but there is this . . .

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/07/03.html

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Fatima: The UFO Interpretation
The mass visions that took place in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 have long been the subject of fascination. Tonight’s guest Father Nicholas Gruner believes these events were miraculous communications from the Virgin Mary, as does the Catholic Church. However, a number of ufologists over the years, have looked at the incidents as possibly being an example of a UFO visitation.

The events at Fatima took place over number of months, and were predicted by a young peasant girl named Lucia, who said she received messages from a brilliantly luminous Lady whom she understood to be Mary. As more and more people heard about the events, some 70,000 people gathered on October 13, as Lucia instructed. As the crowd huddled on this rainy day, they saw an astonishing display, where the sun seemed to come down out of the sky, and spin around on itself, in a mad whirl that lasted 10 minutes.

Proponents of the UFO theory, say this bright globe could have been a huge disc-shaped craft, and that many aspects of the incidents, such as reports of unusual beings, ridicule of the witnesses, and dire messages about our planet, parallel current UFO cases. The well-known researcher Jacques Vallee, drew further connections, comparing the weakness and loss of memory some of the witnesses reported, to the kinds of paralysis and lost time that alien abductees experience. And yet, “there is some danger of creating a stereotyped idea of UFOs…and imposing this on the evidence,” writes the insightful UFO author Richard L. Thompson.

—L.L.

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Messages of Fatima
Father Nicholas Gruner (fatima.org), one of the Catholic Church’s more controversial priests, was the main guest on Thursday night. A tireless advocate for devotion and interest in the messages delivered at Fatima in 1917, Gruner believes they hold the key to the fate of mankind.

According to Father Gruner, the last surviving Fatima seer, Sister Lucia, was told a three-part secret in 1917 that she was to reveal over time. The first two parts were released in 1941, and included a vision of hell that was thought to refer to the first two world wars; and the second was a prediction that Russia would return to Christianity. The third secret was given out by the Vatican in 2000, and was said to be a vision of the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II. However Father Gruner said this wasn’t the real third secret.

He believes it was a vision of a universal crisis for the whole Catholic Church. The “faith is in danger,” he said, echoing the words of the late Father Malachi Martin. Alluding to parts of the church hierarchy being in collusion with a “New World Order” or “one-world religion,” Gruner painted a dire picture of humanity’s enslavement along with a massive depopulation effort. And yet, he said if the “consecration” of Russia could be accomplished, as seen in the Fatima vision, this could instead bring in an era of peace.


19 posted on 09/04/2007 12:28:46 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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And yet, “there is some danger of creating a stereotyped idea of UFOs…and imposing this on the evidence,” writes the insightful UFO author Richard L. Thompson. —L.L.

NO LESS SO . . . IT IS JUST AS HAZARDOUS, IF NOT MORE SO . . . TO IMPOSE A PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE'S EXPLANATION ON THE EVIDENCE OUT OF SOCIOLOGICAL, POLITICAL, PSYCHODYNAMIC AND/OR RELIGIOUS FACTORS, NEEDS AND COMPULSIONS . . . ON TYPICAL VISUAL ETC. PHENOMENA WHICH LIKELY WERE AT BEST SOMEWHAT AMBIGUOUS . . .

Or, which may even have been deliberately manipulative TOWARD that particular RC interpretation--as a number of UFO/"ET" visitations have been. Actually, such manifestations have seemingly deliberately played on the inherent perspectives, archetypes, themes of a number of different religious and other major value orientations--particularly those of the NEW AGE genre. It seems that such WATCHERS/FALLEN ANGELS/ET's are skilled and well able to match whatever the expectations are of each of the value groups in a seductive effort toward Pied-Piperly leading them to "ET" desired convictions and conclusions.

And, the general sweep of such seductive imprints onto the different religious value orientations is . . . somewhat generic while often being self-contradictory as well between different visitations, ET sources etc.

The general sweep is apocalyptic--Fatima fits the pattern.

The particulars usually include some variation on humans destroying the environment--making the earth unliveable; war mongering destroying life and the planet etc. Fatima is in that ball park.

Also, the particular "ET" spokescritter typically appears benevolent, authoritative, exhortive etc in seductive ways which increase the likelinhood of the observers looking to such spokescritters and phenomena as being sources of truth, enlightenment and safety in the future. Fatima is well within the ball park on that score, as well.

20 posted on 09/04/2007 12:49:13 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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