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High Cost for New Calif. Cathedral (compared to a nuclear reactor)
AP ^ | September 2, 2007 | LOUISE CHU

Posted on 09/04/2007 7:35:21 AM PDT by NYer

(AP) — A maze of wooden planks and glass panes is gradually taking shape among the austere office buildings of downtown Oakland, a structure alternately described as a bee hive, an inverted basket or a nuclear reactor.

Only an inconspicuous sign on a fence offers a clue that it will soon be one of the nation's most ambitious — and expensive — religious sites.

When it's completed in fall of 2008, the $190 million Cathedral of Christ the Light will be the centerpiece of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Oakland, which lost its old cathedral to the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake.

More than 1,000 sheets of glass will cloak the Douglas fir skeleton, forming a luminous 12-story dome inspired by the fish shape known as the Vesica Piscis, an ancient symbol of Christianity.

In addition to the 1,300-seat cathedral, the 2 1/2-acre site will house offices, bishop's residence, a conference center and a garden plaza.

The cost estimate was $131 million in 2003, when the design was chosen, but inflation and extra construction costs boosted the price to $190 million.

The project originated during a nationwide building boom among Catholic dioceses around 2000, said Duncan Stroik, an architecture professor at Notre Dame University who specializes in cathedral design.

However, that trend slowed as dioceses became mired in priest sex abuse settlements that have forced some into bankruptcy.

The Oakland diocese took out a loan to cover half its $56.4 million settlement with 56 sex abuse victims in 2005, but the cathedral is being financed by donations — just over $100 million pledged as of June — specifically for the project, separate from the money used to settle those cases, officials said.

Bishop Allen Vigneron, whose diocese serves more than 500,000 parishioners, envisions Christ the Light generating "new energy for us as a church community."

Some say the money would have been better spent on other community-improvement projects, such as new schools or combatting violence in a city that saw a 57 percent spike in homicides last year.

"Should we give to organizations that help people daily or to a facade that to me is embarrassing and a disgrace?" Virginia Everist, a parishioner from Moraga, wrote in a letter to the diocese newspaper.

Vigneron points out that the cathedral funds are separate from the $350 million the diocese spends annually on social services.

Still, the diocese came under fire in January when it announced that the fundraising campaign for a new Catholic high school in Livermore would be temporarily halted so officials could focus on raising money for the cathedral's completion. Parishioner Nancy Morgan of Livermore said parents have been clamoring for a new school for decades.

Vigneron insisted the diocese would move forward with the high school, but it needed to take on one project at a time.

"It's about going about things responsibly," he said.

The cost may seem high until it's compared with other projects, such as museums or sports stadiums, said Richard Kieckhefer, a Northwestern University religion professor who authored "Theology in Stone: Church Architecture from Byzantine to Berkeley." The De Young Museum in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park carried the same price tag when it opened in 2005, and a new ballpark for the Athletics in Fremont is projected to cost $500 million.

Light is the central focus of the design, intended to bathe visitors in filtered sunshine by day and glowing against an urban backdrop by night.

"This building is about making space out of lightness and air," said the architect, Craig Hartman of San Francisco.

Traditionalists, however, questioned its fidelity to Catholic doctrine. Postings on blogs and Internet discussion forums blast the project as a "monstrosity of modernity" and "iconoclasm gone wild."

It's not the first time a California cathedral has raised eyebrows.

The concrete exterior of the new Our Lady of Angels cathedral in Los Angeles has drawn comparisons to a prison, and St. Mary's in San Francisco earned the nickname "Our Lady of the Maytag" when it opened in 1970 for its resemblance to a washing machine agitator.

Stroik, who favors a traditionalist approach, questioned whether the artistic goals of modernist cathedrals, often designed by architects renowned for their secular work, overshadow the spiritual.

Vigneron said diocese officials favored the 21st-century aesthetic to mark the cathedral's place in time and culture, and show that "we are not an antique or a relic of yesteryear,"

The Rev. Leo Edgerly Jr., who serves on the cathedral advisory board, agreed.

"You can go to Europe and see Gothic cathedrals," he said. "You can come to Oakland and see this."


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: architecture; ca; cathedral; crystalcathedral2; oakland; robertschullersmiles
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To: NYer

Mind-boggling. How does this in any way, shape, or form glorify God? Looks more like the Tower of Babel without the exterior ramps.


41 posted on 09/04/2007 10:08:24 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Claud
Claud,

You hit the nail on the head.

-A8

43 posted on 09/04/2007 10:57:43 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: NYer

Yuck.


44 posted on 09/04/2007 11:39:12 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Midnight Hallway Hockey scores: Cats 3-Humans 0)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

I would think God would be appalled by this blatant waste of the resources he has given to Christians, whether it be a Catholic church or Protestant...

45 posted on 09/04/2007 1:38:13 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: NYer

A lot of glass for Oakland. Hope it’s bullet proof.

It is better than what LA got for its money.


46 posted on 09/04/2007 3:19:53 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Claud
Frank Lloyd Wright’s Fallingwater in Western PA..

It had lousy engineering. They've spent millions to keep it from collapsing. Wright's work is also known for flat, leaky roofs.

47 posted on 09/04/2007 3:24:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: maryz
Did Domus Dei ever come out?

This may be it (apologies ... it is taking forever to download on dial-up). Looks like it fits the description.

Built of Living Stones: Art, Architecture, and Worship

48 posted on 09/04/2007 3:40:33 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Thanks — no wonder I couldn’t find it searching “Domus Dei”! :)


49 posted on 09/04/2007 3:53:56 PM PDT by maryz
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To: PAR35
It had lousy engineering. They've spent millions to keep it from collapsing. Wright's work is also known for flat, leaky roofs.

Really? LOL!

Now I have another reason to dislike it. Sweet.

50 posted on 09/05/2007 5:36:24 AM PDT by Claud
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To: sandyeggo
What I want to see is in Europe, apparently, out of my financial and geographic reach.

But not out of reach of your computer ;-)

These glass, steel and concrete monstrosities defy any understanding of "divine" worship. They would be better suited to worship of the goddess Diana. Even Zeus would balk at such a design.

Consider, too, the ecological effect of these edifies - glass in a warm climate generates plenty of heat which would require air conditioning to cool down the interior space. And how do they plan to clean all of that glass? These glass structures are nothing more than egotiscal tributes.

51 posted on 09/05/2007 7:29:19 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Claud

I did some more digging. Apparently, if the contractor had followed Wright’s plans to the letter, the structure wouldn’t have even supported its own weight. The builder doubled the support on his own, (Wright was furious at having been shown up) which prevented immediate failure at the time of construction, but which still hasn’t proved sufficient.

The propping up of the cantalevers alone cost about a million and a half; that was only part of the work that has been needed. Total work ran about $11.5 million for the latest round.

Some details can be found here (also mentions a leaky roof on another Wright project in passing): http://www.structural.net/News/Media_coverage/media_fallingwater_toh.html


52 posted on 09/05/2007 8:15:32 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Wow...interesting! Wright comes off in that piece as a bit of a megalomaniac.


53 posted on 09/05/2007 10:47:57 AM PDT by Claud
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To: NYer

The Bay area (Oakland) is rarely warm or cold.


54 posted on 09/06/2007 2:19:53 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Claud
I like some modern architecture, including the Greek Orthodox church designed by Wright...

http://www.annunciationwi.com/

From what I can see in the pictures of Oakland’s cathedral, YUK!

55 posted on 09/06/2007 2:24:55 PM PDT by GoLightly
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