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And where in the NT are you commanded by God to set aside Exodus 12:43-45 and eat the “passover” with uncircumcised gentiles?

\ God gave his holy spirit to uncircumcised gentiles. Paul taught:

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

So where do you read that we are to forget and ignore the holy days of our Lord?

You cannot separate the Levitical feasts from the sacrificial system, since there is absolutely no warrant in the Word to do so. That is a late tradition of men, but is denied by the substance of Hebrews.

Paul had no problem with it. He recognized that a change in the priesthood didn't mean that you tossed out the whole of the bible. In Hebrews, it was SPELLED out what was changed. The book was written to let early Christians KNOW what the new covenant did. And the fact that it's documented that Paul kept the feasts is evidence enough.

I don't consider myself a messianic jew, but either a natural Israelite or gentile baptized into the body of Christ. I do not know what that means.

I don't consider myself a Jewish person who believes that Christ is the messiah. I'm either a gentile or a natural descendant of Israel who has been baptized into the Israel of God, into the body of Christ.

Actually, you are wrong. Paul says that Peter was living “as a gentile”, not merely with gentiles. “14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?” (Gal. 2)

There was a VAST difference between the ways a Pharasitical Jew lived and the way a gentile lived even without considering food to be eaten. They had, and still have, rules about utensils, kitchens, food preparation, how animals are killed, etc. Kosher rules developed by the Jewish religion covers MUCH more that what is actually in scripture.

Peter, at least when he was in Galatia, recognized his freedom in Christ to eat or not eat “kosher” as the circumstances dictated (based on his experience in Acts 10). He could live like a gentile if he wished. He was no longer bound by the ceremonial requirements of the Mosaic code. Notice that Paul never chastised Peter for eating gentile food.

Again you're mixing up scriptural with non-scriptural. Peter NEVER ate animal flesh that scripture defined as unclean. But the very act of eating a clean animal prepared by a gentile in a gentile home would have been abhorrent to an observant Jew.

36 posted on 09/11/2007 8:57:12 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Campion; kevinw
God gave his holy spirit to uncircumcised gentiles.

So?? Where did God say that gentiles who are circumcised only in their heart may attend to the “passover”? I do not read that anywhere in the Mosaic code. This seems to be another tradition of men based purely on circumstances.

So where do you read that we are to forget and ignore the holy days of our Lord?

We do not ignore them. We see them as fulfilled perfectly and obediently in Christ. When we celebrate Christ’s work we celebrate all to which the Mosaic feasts pointed.

And we do not pretend that keeping such ersatz feast days as are common today in any way fulfills the command of God. Such pretentiousness has no warrant in Scripture. It is a vain sort of thing based on zeal without knowledge.

So where do you read that we are to forget and ignore the holy days of our Lord?

You seem to be missing the purely spiritual nature of 1 Cor. 5:7,8. First of all, it says that Christ is our Passover. He is the one to Whom the Mosaic Passover pointed. The Mosaic Passover was the shadow and Christ is the substance.

Second, it tells us how to keep this “feast” (i.e., Christ our Passover), with the “unleavened bread of sincerity and truth”. Paul is not speaking at all about the old ceremonies with animal sacrifices and physically unleavened bread. He is speaking spiritually of how we are to approach the throne of Christ. He is our Passover. We do not need to keep the “passover” of men.

We see similar spiritual language by Paul in places like Romans 12:1, “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.”

Peter NEVER ate animal flesh that scripture defined as unclean.

That’s exactly what Paul said he did. You can disagree with Paul if you wish, but his words could not be plainer. Why don’t you deal with the actual text and explain it to us.

39 posted on 09/11/2007 11:25:39 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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