Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
It could be, BUT---
God created the earth in 6 days...On the 7th day He rested...
A day to God is 1000 years to us...We've been here 6000 years, give or take a few...We're going into the 7 thousandth year, or the 7th day...The day of rest for God...
God brought forth life starting with the 5th day...Jesus showed up at the end of 4000, and beginning at 5000 years...
Just a coincidence??? Sure...I suppose...But I was just sayin~~~
Hos 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
If you look as those days as a thousand years each, there's a perfect picture of the restoration of Israel going into the Millenial reign of Jesus Christ...
These things are all over the Bible...
Have pondered forcable chip implantation.
1. I don’t believe it will be routinely allowed by God.
2. IF it is allowed at all by God, HE IS MORE FAIR THAN WE ARE and we don’t hold people responsible who’ve been even merely significantly coerced.
3. Still, I’d rather die than take the chip.
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It is CONCEIVABLE that there is a symbolic meaning to forehead and hand but I highly doubt that’s the main meaning or import of those verses.
Not surprised the Preterist position would lean that way.
TRue. True.
All over the Bible.
However, I think we have to hold such things loosely.
Many of them may be quite right. Some of them not.
Our conjectures and extrapolated interpreations MAY not be any better in specific cases than those of the Contrarian Preterists.
I agree totally with both of your statements.
Christ returns for His Church before the tribulation since the Tribulation is not for the church, it is for Israel, (Jacobs trouble-Jer.30:7), the final week of Daniel's 70th 'week'.
The Church (Christ's Bride) will not go through the Tribulation, but will be in heaven at the time (Rev.19:7)
And it will be 'sold' as a way to stop ID theft as well.
When SS began it was claimed that the number would never be used as an ID number.
When driver licenses were issued, it was claimed they would never be used for ID purposes.
The chip will be sold as a positive good, just like 'background checks' for gun purchases are.
Amen.
No one could have imagined how Micah 5:2 would be accomplished, through a Roman tax demanding that Joseph return to Bethlehem.
Amen.
The Times are in God's hands and nothing can be done unless God allows it.
And the anti-Christ will handle that problem, since it will be required for everyone to worship him.
What is amazing isn't how sparse technology is, but how widespread it is and how today, with satellite technology we can envision the entire world seeing the return of Christ.
And that is why every translator put earth and not 'land' for the translation, no matter what their own escatological views were.
No one is ignoring Zechariah at all, what you are doing is making a single passage fit Zechariah in one regard, while disregarding it in the rest, for example, (Zech.12:9).
Zechariah speaks of nations surrounding Jerusalem and the Lord coming to save the city-which didn't happen in 70AD.
So, stop 'cherry picking' the verse.
Again, the Bible does not contradict itself. You cannot interpret a verse in a way that renders it in conflict with what is so clear elsewhere in Scripture.
And all the verses have to be looked at, not just the ones you want to, ignoring the rest.
'And it shall come to pass, in that day, that I will destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem'.(Zech.12:9).
The 'nations' didn't come against Jerusalem in 70Ad, only Rome did.
And God didn't destroy Rome or any nations.
So, when the Lord says 'land' in Zecharia, He is speaking of the Jews of the land, who mourn at the return of Christ and their recognition of Him (something that didn't happen in 70AD either.
The fact that Jews of the land will mourn when Christ returns, does not negate the other fact, that all of the earth will mourn as well.(Rev.1:7)
Both will happen.
The verse is very clear, every eye will see the Lord at His return, which didn't happen in 70AD
Which means that Preterism is false, since it states that verse is a past event that occured in 70AD.
Amen.
True, we do not have enough facts regarding the exact calender of man's existance (6,000 years plus)
No doubt, but it is coming and the anti-Christ will have amazing powers of 'persusasion' even able to deceive the elect if the days weren't shortened.
No true Dispensationalist is concerned about the events happening before us, because we have the 'blessed hope' of the Lord returning for his Church before the Tribulation and take comfort in these words (1Thess.4:18)
It is just amazing how those who can claim they believe the prophecies of the 1st Advent and that God accomplished the fulfillment of those prophecies in the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ, would have any problem with fulfilling the 2nd Advent prophecies, which haven't happened yet.
The real reason they are rejected is because they are for the Jew and not the Church. (Rom.11:11-21)
If the RC is fill of idols, then those are which it is worshipping, not Jesus Christ.
'Ye cannot serve two masters'
Wouldn't we agree that the RC mind is easier to reach than the heathen mind which is closed to God and Christ entirely? I know hundreds of ex-papists who are now Bible-believing Christians. I know very few atheists who have come to a correct understanding of Jesus Christ. They are simply farther from the truth.
Most people are not atheists, most people are religious and that is what sends most people to hell, believing in a false religion.
And that is why the anti-Christ will have a false religious leader, whose headquarters will be in Rome (Rev.17)
INDEED.
However, the seductions of satan have convinced many that
THEY PERSONALLY are sufficiently GRAND to defne what
GOD ALMIGHTY MEANT
BRAZENLY CONTRARY TO THE TEXT OF WHAT
GOD ALMIGHTY SAID.
And they don’t assert such as a possibility; a variation on a theme; one amongst many plausible interpretations! NO! They assert it as
GOSPEL FACT
when it’s the opposite.
Arrogance is too weak a word for that, imho.
Quite so. Quite so.
No one is ignoring Zechariah at all, what you are doing is making a single passage fit Zechariah in one regard, while disregarding it in the rest, for example, (Zech.12:9).
Zechariah speaks of nations surrounding Jerusalem and the Lord coming to save the city-which didn't happen in 70AD.
So, stop 'cherry picking' the verse.
Again, the Bible does not contradict itself. You cannot interpret a verse in a way that renders it in conflict with what is so clear elsewhere in Scripture.
And all the verses have to be looked at, not just the ones you want to, ignoring the rest.
'And it shall come to pass, in that day, that I will destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem'.(Zech.12:9).
The 'nations' didn't come against Jerusalem in 70Ad, only Rome did.
And God didn't destroy Rome or any nations.
So, when the Lord says 'land' in Zecharia, He is speaking of the Jews of the land, who mourn at the return of Christ
The fact that Jews of the land will mourn when Christ returns, does not negate the other fact, that all of the earth will mourn as well.(Rev.1:7)
Both will happen.
INDEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!
since it states that verse is a past event that occured in 70AD.
INDEED! AND THAT JUST ONE OF HUNDREDS OF SUCH BLOWS-CONTRARIAN PRETERISM/ REPLACEMENTARIANISM/ AMIL/ POST MIL AND ALL OTHER SUCH DOCTRINES OF MANISMS OUT OF THE WATER; OUT OF THE BALL PARK; OUT OF THE GALAXY.
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