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Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)
American Vision ^ | 10/7/2005 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54

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To: wmfights
it could be tomorrow or a thousand years from tomorrow.

It could be, BUT---

God created the earth in 6 days...On the 7th day He rested...

A day to God is 1000 years to us...We've been here 6000 years, give or take a few...We're going into the 7 thousandth year, or the 7th day...The day of rest for God...

God brought forth life starting with the 5th day...Jesus showed up at the end of 4000, and beginning at 5000 years...

Just a coincidence??? Sure...I suppose...But I was just sayin~~~

1,901 posted on 12/01/2007 3:20:54 PM PST by Iscool
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To: wmfights
When you get this day-1000 year thing in your head, you start seeing all kinds of oddball things in the scripture...Take this for example...

Hos 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

If you look as those days as a thousand years each, there's a perfect picture of the restoration of Israel going into the Millenial reign of Jesus Christ...

These things are all over the Bible...

1,902 posted on 12/01/2007 3:32:10 PM PST by Iscool
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To: 1000 silverlings

Have pondered forcable chip implantation.

1. I don’t believe it will be routinely allowed by God.

2. IF it is allowed at all by God, HE IS MORE FAIR THAN WE ARE and we don’t hold people responsible who’ve been even merely significantly coerced.

3. Still, I’d rather die than take the chip.

= = =

It is CONCEIVABLE that there is a symbolic meaning to forehead and hand but I highly doubt that’s the main meaning or import of those verses.

Not surprised the Preterist position would lean that way.


1,903 posted on 12/01/2007 7:57:02 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Iscool

TRue. True.

All over the Bible.

However, I think we have to hold such things loosely.

Many of them may be quite right. Some of them not.

Our conjectures and extrapolated interpreations MAY not be any better in specific cases than those of the Contrarian Preterists.


1,904 posted on 12/01/2007 7:59:22 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: wmfights
It sure seems like it. I hesitate to getting into predictions though. The timing is the LORD's and it could be tomorrow or a thousand years from tomorrow. I only mentioned that GOD doesn't need all the technology because we are creating artificial constraints on God's ability to do whatever he chooses.

I agree totally with both of your statements.

1,905 posted on 12/03/2007 3:23:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: wmfights
It's all about timing isn't? These passages don't tell us if this is before the Tribulation or after.

Christ returns for His Church before the tribulation since the Tribulation is not for the church, it is for Israel, (Jacobs trouble-Jer.30:7), the final week of Daniel's 70th 'week'.

The Church (Christ's Bride) will not go through the Tribulation, but will be in heaven at the time (Rev.19:7)

1,906 posted on 12/03/2007 3:28:21 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: wmfights
I agree. The whole idea of implanted chips is just too close to Scripture. I think the idea is being marketed using "medical records" as the reasoning. You have a chip with all your medical data and if your in an emergency room they can scan it and know what your allergic to etc.

And it will be 'sold' as a way to stop ID theft as well.

When SS began it was claimed that the number would never be used as an ID number.

When driver licenses were issued, it was claimed they would never be used for ID purposes.

The chip will be sold as a positive good, just like 'background checks' for gun purchases are.

1,907 posted on 12/03/2007 3:45:05 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Quix; Iscool
The book says every eye shall see Him...You know what that means??? It means, EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM... You don’t change scripture to fit your preconceived theology...You fit your theology to the scripture...And if your theology don’t fit, there’s something wrong with your theology...

Amen.

No one could have imagined how Micah 5:2 would be accomplished, through a Roman tax demanding that Joseph return to Bethlehem.

1,908 posted on 12/03/2007 3:48:45 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Well, I believe there are sinister plots afoot all over the place. But thankfully, every one of them is under God's perfect control. It's all part of the divine paradox.

Amen.

The Times are in God's hands and nothing can be done unless God allows it.

1,909 posted on 12/03/2007 3:52:17 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Lord_Calvinus; Iscool; Quix
Oh, and you still have to contend with the fact that entire people groups still don’t have access to television. You would probably be suprised at just how sparse technology really is in the world.

And the anti-Christ will handle that problem, since it will be required for everyone to worship him.

What is amazing isn't how sparse technology is, but how widespread it is and how today, with satellite technology we can envision the entire world seeing the return of Christ.

1,910 posted on 12/03/2007 3:55:34 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: tabsternager; Quix; Iscool
Putting them in context means putting all of the verses concerning a particular prophecy together. Therefore, you are not putting them in context because you’re ignoring the very same prophecy in Zechariah and the word “tribes” in the verses.

And that is why every translator put earth and not 'land' for the translation, no matter what their own escatological views were.

No one is ignoring Zechariah at all, what you are doing is making a single passage fit Zechariah in one regard, while disregarding it in the rest, for example, (Zech.12:9).

Zechariah speaks of nations surrounding Jerusalem and the Lord coming to save the city-which didn't happen in 70AD.

So, stop 'cherry picking' the verse.

Again, the Bible does not contradict itself. You cannot interpret a verse in a way that renders it in conflict with what is so clear elsewhere in Scripture.

And all the verses have to be looked at, not just the ones you want to, ignoring the rest.

'And it shall come to pass, in that day, that I will destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem'.(Zech.12:9).

The 'nations' didn't come against Jerusalem in 70Ad, only Rome did.

And God didn't destroy Rome or any nations.

So, when the Lord says 'land' in Zecharia, He is speaking of the Jews of the land, who mourn at the return of Christ and their recognition of Him (something that didn't happen in 70AD either.

The fact that Jews of the land will mourn when Christ returns, does not negate the other fact, that all of the earth will mourn as well.(Rev.1:7)

Both will happen.

1,911 posted on 12/03/2007 4:11:55 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Quix
I never said it was. If you just take time to actually read the bible instead at looking at it through a system, maybe you will begin to see what it actually says for yourself.

The verse is very clear, every eye will see the Lord at His return, which didn't happen in 70AD

Which means that Preterism is false, since it states that verse is a past event that occured in 70AD.

1,912 posted on 12/03/2007 4:16:49 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Iscool
If you look as those days as a thousand years each, there's a perfect picture of the restoration of Israel going into the Millenial reign of Jesus Christ...

Amen.

1,913 posted on 12/03/2007 4:17:29 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Quix
However, I think we have to hold such things loosely.

True, we do not have enough facts regarding the exact calender of man's existance (6,000 years plus)

1,914 posted on 12/03/2007 4:30:37 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Lord_Calvinus; Quix; Iscool
The NWO doesn't exist. And, even if it did, it would require an unbelievable effort to force the world population to get "marked."

No doubt, but it is coming and the anti-Christ will have amazing powers of 'persusasion' even able to deceive the elect if the days weren't shortened.

No true Dispensationalist is concerned about the events happening before us, because we have the 'blessed hope' of the Lord returning for his Church before the Tribulation and take comfort in these words (1Thess.4:18)

It is just amazing how those who can claim they believe the prophecies of the 1st Advent and that God accomplished the fulfillment of those prophecies in the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ, would have any problem with fulfilling the 2nd Advent prophecies, which haven't happened yet.

The real reason they are rejected is because they are for the Jew and not the Church. (Rom.11:11-21)

1,915 posted on 12/03/2007 4:53:59 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I know what you're saying and you know you have a very receptive audience in me regarding that fact. The lies of Rome work against the truth of Christ risen and every liar will be held accountable. But it's difficult for me to say a Trinitarian Roman Catholic is the same as a God-denying heathen. The RC mind is filled with idols and the RC heart is brimming with error, but the RC knee does bend to Jesus Christ.

If the RC is fill of idols, then those are which it is worshipping, not Jesus Christ.

'Ye cannot serve two masters'

Wouldn't we agree that the RC mind is easier to reach than the heathen mind which is closed to God and Christ entirely? I know hundreds of ex-papists who are now Bible-believing Christians. I know very few atheists who have come to a correct understanding of Jesus Christ. They are simply farther from the truth.

Most people are not atheists, most people are religious and that is what sends most people to hell, believing in a false religion.

And that is why the anti-Christ will have a false religious leader, whose headquarters will be in Rome (Rev.17)

1,916 posted on 12/03/2007 5:31:39 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

INDEED.

However, the seductions of satan have convinced many that

THEY PERSONALLY are sufficiently GRAND to defne what

GOD ALMIGHTY MEANT

BRAZENLY CONTRARY TO THE TEXT OF WHAT

GOD ALMIGHTY SAID.

And they don’t assert such as a possibility; a variation on a theme; one amongst many plausible interpretations! NO! They assert it as

GOSPEL FACT

when it’s the opposite.

Arrogance is too weak a word for that, imho.


1,917 posted on 12/03/2007 6:03:16 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Quite so. Quite so.


1,918 posted on 12/03/2007 6:04:18 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration
And that is why every translator put earth and not 'land' for the translation, no matter what their own escatological views were.

No one is ignoring Zechariah at all, what you are doing is making a single passage fit Zechariah in one regard, while disregarding it in the rest, for example, (Zech.12:9).

Zechariah speaks of nations surrounding Jerusalem and the Lord coming to save the city-which didn't happen in 70AD.

So, stop 'cherry picking' the verse.

Again, the Bible does not contradict itself. You cannot interpret a verse in a way that renders it in conflict with what is so clear elsewhere in Scripture.

And all the verses have to be looked at, not just the ones you want to, ignoring the rest.

'And it shall come to pass, in that day, that I will destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem'.(Zech.12:9).

The 'nations' didn't come against Jerusalem in 70Ad, only Rome did.

And God didn't destroy Rome or any nations.

So, when the Lord says 'land' in Zecharia, He is speaking of the Jews of the land, who mourn at the return of Christ

The fact that Jews of the land will mourn when Christ returns, does not negate the other fact, that all of the earth will mourn as well.(Rev.1:7)

Both will happen.

INDEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

1,919 posted on 12/03/2007 6:08:26 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The verse
is
very
clear,
EVERY
eye
will
see
the
Lord AT
His return,
which did
NOT
happen
in 70AD

NOT BY A LONG SHOT
IN SEVERAL ASPECTS!

Which means
that
Preterism
is
[UTTERLY] FALSE,

since it states that verse is a past event that occured in 70AD.

INDEED! AND THAT JUST ONE OF HUNDREDS OF SUCH BLOWS-CONTRARIAN PRETERISM/ REPLACEMENTARIANISM/ AMIL/ POST MIL AND ALL OTHER SUCH DOCTRINES OF MANISMS OUT OF THE WATER; OUT OF THE BALL PARK; OUT OF THE GALAXY.

BLESSED BE THE NAME
AND
WORD OF THE LORD.


1,920 posted on 12/03/2007 6:17:48 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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