Posted on 11/04/2007 1:26:45 PM PST by topcat54
That’s still not very specific. Perhaps I’m missing the significance in the context of Ryrie’s statement and the analysis. Why is "something contained" more appropriate than "substance" and what difference does it make?
OK. So, does Covenant doctrine teach that God's covenant with Abraham and his seed is still in effect with his seed?
Absolutely. Just read Galatians 3 for the proper understanding of "Seed" being Jesus Christ and the fact that all those found to be in Christ are the true sons of Abraham and, therefore, heirs of the promises.
Baloney. The apostles at the First Council of the Church in Jerusalem in 49 AD were all dispensationalists as we know from Acts 15:
"And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written. After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up, that the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things." [Acts 13-16]
After the church age Jesus would return to Jerusalem to rebuild it adn establish His throne there, just as Amos and the prophets wrote.
I find it quite ironic that the doctrinal system which calls itself "covenant" seems to have as its cornerstone doctrine the misconception that God has abrogated his covenant with Abraham.
Not at all.
OK. So, does Covenant doctrine teach that God's covenant with Abraham and his seed is still in effect with his seed?
Absolutely. Paul explicitly tells us who that seed is.
OK. So, does Covenant doctrine teach that God’s covenant with Abraham and his seed is still in effect with his seed?
Absolutely. Paul explicitly tells us who that seed is.
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Ahhhhh, the rubber dictionary strikes again . . . along with the Slipping and Sliding and Shucking and Jiving School of Biblical Interpretation . . .
The Covenant still applies to Blood Israel except that it doesn’t because The Cross obliterated their DNA and lineage
. . . so God is going to have a real rough time choosing 12,000 from EACH of the 12 patriarchical tribes . . .
And God didn’t really EMAN TRULY EVERLASTING COVENANT . . . He only meant a temporary covenant until the Replacementarians could arise and tell Him how to get it right . . .
So, all bets are off, nothing is dependable except Replacementarian obtuseness, rubber Bibles, rubber history books, rubber dictionaries and rubber logic books.
The children of Jacob were foolish to trust that God meant what He said about an EVERLASTING COVENANT—they should have known that the Replacementarians would arise and change God’s mind.
/sar
AND, to whom He said and when...
***Ahhhhh, the rubber dictionary strikes again . . . along with the Slipping and Sliding and Shucking and Jiving School of Biblical Interpretation . . .***
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
Christians are the Spiritual heirs of the Spiritual promises...
The Jews are (still) the physical heirs of the physical promises...
I suspect that even if y’all laid out all the “seed” Scriptures on a table, sense would still not be made of them.
It’s not that hard, really. Just believ the text.
The dispy bible doesn’t teach Jeremiah 31:31 or the Book of Hebrews. They’re “too hard”, lol
Actually, I’d put it that
Christians are joint heirs with Christ and with Abraham’s blood seed of
ALL
the benefits of the Covenant.
It may well be that vis a vis SOME ceremonial aspects or whatever that blood children of Abraham will have priority. I don’t think so but it wouldn’t rock my theology if it turned out that way.
We are ‘early-horners-in’ on the blessings of the Covenant via CHRIST CRUSIFIED, RESURRECTED AND TREIGNING FOREVERMORE.
But the branch we were grafted into will not be forgotten by a long shot. As Scripture is clear about.
God is NOT slack concerning HIS PROMISES to HIS BUDDY Abraham.
The dispy bible doesn’t teach Jeremiah 31:31 or the Book of Hebrews. They’re “too hard”, lol
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ANOTHER falsehood about Dispys.
Really? So now you agree with Jeremiah 31:31? how is that possible?
The text EXPLICITLY says that the promises were made to Abraham and Christ. Do you believe this gospel truth?
OF COURSE I BELIEVE JER 31:31! Sheesh!
I do not believe that the time of Christ
“after that time, declares the Lord, I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God and they will be my people. No logner will a man teach his neighbor or a man his brother saying, Know the Lord, because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. . . . “
I suppose you are going to try and tell me that THAT occurred in AD 70?
LOL ROTFLOL GTTM
Sheesh. It has YET to occur but looms closer and closer PARISE GOD.
Which text are you going on about now?
I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF SCRIPTURE.
You can put that in your pipe and smoke it, Fred.
No of course not. Jesus didn’t come to the earth. He didn’t visit any Jews or Gentiles, didn’t fulfill any prophecies and certainly did not establish any new covenant with anyone, nor have any books been published since then with the tile of “The New Testament(Covenant) of Jesus Christ. I wonder what the Zohar says.
So you have never read the book of hebrews, especially chapter 9 I take it?
lol, they don’t know what they believe
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I am at a loss as to how to respond to nonsensical egg salad gibberish.
That makes absolutely 0.000% sense to me—except as an off the wall diatribe with no rational thought in it at all.
“after that time, declares the Lord, I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God and they will be my people. No logner will a man teach his neighbor or a man his brother saying, Know the Lord, because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. . . . “
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Are you HONESTLY trying to say that YOU BELIEVE the above has already occurred???
If so . . .
UNBELIEVABLE. Shocking.
Clearly Biblical words do not mean the least bit of a consistent anything to Replacementarians.
***That makes absolutely 0.000% sense to me....***
No!!! Quit!!!
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