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To: PAR35; Diego1618
In addition, this occurred on a Saturday night, not a Sunday.
So it is your position that the empty tomb was discovered on a Saturday, rather than the generally accepted Sunday at daybreak? That would have to be your interpretation of Luke 24:1, where the same set of words is used as is found in the passage in Acts.

Diego has throughly hashed this out from a scriptural standpoint a number of times in this forum. Perhaps he still has a link to one of his posts?

The Modern King James version:

Joh 20:1 The first of the sabbaths Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness still being on it, and she saw the stone taken away from the tomb.

It was STILL dark when the tomb was discovered. This means it was either before sunrise or after sunset.

This was a meal, a potluck if you will, that they were eating together. The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 1Cor 10:16 And I find your interpretation of the meaning of the 'first of the week' to be a bit strained. Are you a follower of William Miller?

The point of telling of this incident in Acts was to document a miraculous healing by Paul.

Act 20:7 And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.

They were assembled together to "break bread".

Paul spoke until midnight.

Act 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper room where they were assembled.

It was dark, just after midnight.

Act 20:9 And there was a young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor and was picked up dead.

Eutychus fell asleep and fell out of the window and died.

The point was to document a healing.

However, those who follow the TRADITION of changing the sabbath can't help but try and use this as a scriptural precedent.

Are you a follower of William Miller?

I don't know who that is. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.

89 posted on 11/13/2007 8:47:28 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
The Modern King James version:

I wasn't familiar with that version, so I had to look it up. Apparently the guy that wrote it would agree that it is not consistent with almost all the other English versions. So you probably want to rely on better sources than his.

Joh 20:1

Green seems to have misunderstood the Greek prōi (πρωΐ́) which shows it was early in the morning, or at dawn. (The Jewish Holy day ran from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown; so they would be talking about dawn on Sunday there.) See either the King James: The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

or the Geneva for a better translation: Nowe the first day of the weeke came Marie Magdalene, early when it was yet darke, vnto the sepulchre, and sawe the stone taken away from the tombe.

If that isn't clear enough, the parallel in Luke makes it even more clear: From the Textus Receptus: ορθρου βαθεος, orthros (bathus orthros) or very early dawn. Here again the KJV "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. " or the Geneva is clear: "Nowe the first day of the weeke early in the morning, they came vnto the sepulchre, and brought the odours, which they had prepared, and certaine women with them."

Or look at the RC Douay Rheims, or the modern ESV;

In short, those of you who are MKJV/LITV only are in pretty small company.

I don't know who that [William Miller] is.

Ok. from some of your comments, I had thought you might be Seventh Day Adventist. Looks like I guessed wrong on that.

99 posted on 11/13/2007 2:22:39 PM PST by PAR35
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To: DouglasKC; NYer; BipolarBob; ears_to_hear; PAR35; Ping-Pong
Diego has throughly hashed this out from a scriptural standpoint a number of times in this forum. Perhaps he still has a link to one of his posts?

Aw....let's just make a new one.....LOL! It's one of my favorite subjects.....and so misunderstood by the Main Stream Church....I can always make time for this!

NYer:"Can you still answer this question. "In various passages of Scripture, the Lord restates all of the Decalogue except for one commandment. Which commandment did he not restate?"

One of the first things I came to realize in my walk with God is that the New does not cancel the Old. Jesus did not walk around telling everyone He was not killing anybody. He did not call to anyone's attention He was not stealing anything. He did not have to remind folks He was not fooling around with someone else's wife......they could all see these things to be self evident. They could also see Him honoring the Sabbath weekly.

Our Lord was the spokesman of the Old Testament [John 1:1]. 3056. logos (log'-os)something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ): And [John 1:14: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The Sabbaths commands are repeated numerous times in the Old Testament (Christ is the Spokesman)....never repealed in the New. The fact that Our Lord does not mention the Sabbath command in the New does not detract from the fact He continues to Observe it weekly. If His teaching had included a discontinuance of the Sabbath observance don't you think the women would have known about it here [Luke 24:56]? And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

NYer: The Gospels report that Jesus observed the Sabbath, there are even several incidents where he is accused of violating Sabbath law (Jn. 9:16, Jn 7:23, Mk. 3:4)

All of these instances were thought to be Sabbath breaking by the Pharisees. In fact....what they were was...breaking of "Talmudic" Jewish Law. Douglas pointed this out quite succinctly.

As I touched on briefly in post #83 was the misunderstanding of the Hebrew term "First of the Sabbaths." Let me go into it a little deeper here and folks may begin to understand why this cannot possibly be translated "first day of the week." The word for the seven weekly Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost [Leviticus 23:15-16] is Shabbaton (A Special Sabbath) which is a Hebrew word. The Greeks had no word for Sabbath....not surprising! Consequently they (New Testament Writers) used this spelling....in Greek to denote the specific Sabbath of the resurrection (Sabbatwn). Every time you see this spelling in the Greek it means the first Saturday after Passover. The first Saturday after Passover was indeed the first Saturday of the seven Saturday count to Pentecost and that is why the literal translation of the Greek is "First of the Sabbaths."

Young's Literal Translation: [Matthew 28:1] And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre.

[Luke 24:1] And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them.

[John 20:1] And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb.

To a first century Jew living in Judea this terminology meant......the first Sabbath (weekly) in the seven Sabbath count to Pentecost.

Look at this! [Luke 6:1] And it came to pass, on the second-first sabbath, as he is going through the corn fields, that his disciples were plucking the ears, and were eating, rubbing with the hands. Jesus here....is traveling on the second Sabbath (Same word "Sabbatwn") between Passover and Pentecost. Anytime there was a special Sabbath....this word was used.

When early heresies (Sunday resurrection) crept into the Church they embedded themselves because many converts were recently from Paganism and Sun Worship was the main theme of this form of idolatry. It was natural for folks to want to continue doing what they had been doing and the Church saw the advantage in allowing this to happen! More converts!

102 posted on 11/13/2007 3:39:30 PM PST by Diego1618
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