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To: DouglasKC
The Modern King James version:

I wasn't familiar with that version, so I had to look it up. Apparently the guy that wrote it would agree that it is not consistent with almost all the other English versions. So you probably want to rely on better sources than his.

Joh 20:1

Green seems to have misunderstood the Greek prōi (πρωΐ́) which shows it was early in the morning, or at dawn. (The Jewish Holy day ran from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown; so they would be talking about dawn on Sunday there.) See either the King James: The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

or the Geneva for a better translation: Nowe the first day of the weeke came Marie Magdalene, early when it was yet darke, vnto the sepulchre, and sawe the stone taken away from the tombe.

If that isn't clear enough, the parallel in Luke makes it even more clear: From the Textus Receptus: ορθρου βαθεος, orthros (bathus orthros) or very early dawn. Here again the KJV "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. " or the Geneva is clear: "Nowe the first day of the weeke early in the morning, they came vnto the sepulchre, and brought the odours, which they had prepared, and certaine women with them."

Or look at the RC Douay Rheims, or the modern ESV;

In short, those of you who are MKJV/LITV only are in pretty small company.

I don't know who that [William Miller] is.

Ok. from some of your comments, I had thought you might be Seventh Day Adventist. Looks like I guessed wrong on that.

99 posted on 11/13/2007 2:22:39 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35; DouglasKC; NYer; BipolarBob; ears_to_hear; Ping-Pong
Green seems to have misunderstood the Greek prōi (πρωΐ́) which shows it was early in the morning, or at dawn. (The Jewish Holy day ran from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown; so they would be talking about dawn on Sunday there.)

4404. proi (pro-ee')at dawn; by implication, the day-break watch, early (in the morning), (in the) morning. This is translated incorrectly because of theological error and tradition.

Here is the problem. The women come to the tomb late in the afternoon...at sundown...the end of the Sabbath. The fact that we begin our days at mid night leads to the confusion. The best place to see what the time was is in [Luke 23:54] And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. The fact that the Sabbath was beginning indicates that the time of burial is late afternoon/early evening....at sundown. The word in the Greek for "drew on" is "Epiphosko". The meaning is clear. The Sabbath is about to begin and it is sundown. The only other place in scripture this word appears is [Matthew 28:1] where the modern English translations mostly all say: "as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week."

Well.....from my previous post we now all know this is error....tradition, but error. Epiphosko simply means: #2020. epiphosko (ep-ee-foce'-ko)begin to dawn, X draw on. For something to begin....something else has to end. In this case it is the Sabbath that is ending and the New day is about to begin....at sundown. [Matthew 28:6] verifies that He is already risen! The new day is dawning, not sunrise....but sunset. The Hebrews began their days at sunset. Everyone knows this....so Epiphosko in [Matthew 28:1] means the Dawning of the new day the same way it is used in [Luke 23:54].....and the only other place in scripture this word "Epiphosko" is used!

As I said before....the Church had an agenda to show a Sunday morning resurrection and for the last 1700+ years have attempted to do just that. It is not difficult to understand why.

106 posted on 11/13/2007 5:41:58 PM PST by Diego1618
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