Posted on 11/28/2007 9:30:33 PM PST by Coleus
This is part 4 of an ongoing series of interviews with colleague Paul Kengor examining the religious views of leading candidates for president. In this interview, Dr. Kengor expands his prior treatment of Hillary Clinton’s views on abortion by describing “pro-choice Christians.” Links to the previous posts on this and related topics are listed at the end of the interview.
THROCKMORTON: You have made a point to describe the sincerity of Hillary Clinton’s Christian affiliations while at the same time embracing abortion rights. In a sense, then, she could be described as a “pro-choice Christian.” Is there a larger pro-choice Christian voting block that may have some impact in the next election?
KENGOR: Hillary is very much part of the Religious Left, which is united in its commitment to “social justice.” Tragically, for many on the Religious Left, this justice is confined to race and class and economics, and only for those fortunate enough to have been born. They do not extend their social justice to the unborn, which they relegate to the status of non-humans who are deprived of the most basic of all rights: the right to life. This is a complete, utter injustice. They refuse to extend the social-justice umbrella to include these most innocent and defenseless among us, those who most need our protection. These Religious Left individuals include a Baptist named Bill Clinton, Roman Catholics like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi, and a Methodist named Hillary Clinton, to name merely a few.
Both Hillary and her United Methodist Church leadership would describe themselves as “pro-choice Christians.” In fact, her church is a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.
This will shock pro-lifers to read this, but there are actually pro-choice Christian feminists who pray to God for the ability to abort their children.
THROCKMORTON: Give us some examples of these pro-choice Christians.
KENGOR: Well, Planned Parenthood has its own chaplain. Then there are groups like Episcopalians for Choice, Christian Dykes for Choice, Francis Kissling’s heretical Catholics for a Free Choice, and so on.
When I was an undergraduate, there was a group of feminists at a nearby college–the name of which I will withhold–that called itself First Church of Christ Abortionist, which taught that abortion was a kind of holy sacrament for women. I know this sounds completely insane, which, of course, it is, but I promise you that I’m not making this up. Who could make up something like that?
THROCKMORTON: What is Hillary Clinton’s association with some of these groups?
The most disturbing example that I detail in my book [God and Hillary Clinton: A Spiritual Life] was the April 2004 “March for Women’s Lives” in Washington, DC. This was a pro-choice gathering that was so over-the-top and in fact obscene that George Neumayr, the veteran Catholic reporter and editor-in-chief of Catholic World Report, characterized it as a Pagan festival, though Neumayr rightly cautioned that this might be unfair to ancient pagans, since worshipers of Baal would no doubt have found the gathering too depraved for their tastes. Much of what occurred there was so profane that it could not be printed in newspapers or broadcast without violating FCC standards.
Women carried signs decrying the president’s mother, Barbara Bush, for not aborting her oldest son. “If Only Barbara Bush Had Choice,” read one sign; “Barbara Chose Poorly,” said another. They held up similar placards regarding Pope John Paul II, stating things like “The Pope’s Mother Had No Choice.” Another sign declared: “Pro-Life is to Christianity as Al-Qaeda is to Islam.” Another proclaimed: “I asked God, She’s pro-choice.” A female rabbi said that to be “pro-choice” was to be “pro-God.” The abortion doctor George Tiller referred to the unholy alliance of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Ashcroft as “the four horsemen of the apocalypse.”
It was a hateful, intolerant scene, and it was into this zoo that Mrs. Clinton stepped. In fact, her presence seemed one of the few joyful moments for these extremely angry women. The emcee had just finished telling the crowd, “I want to be your dominatrix this morning.” Then, before introducing Senator Clinton, she observed, to explosive applause, “Estrogen levels on this Mall have reached levels we enjoy.” These feminists adore Mrs. Clinton, and she adores them.
THROCKMORTON: You have said that Mrs. Clinton’s former OB-GYN, an abortion doctor, describes himself as a pro-choice Christian?
KENGOR: That’s correct. His name is William F. Harrison, who became Hillary’s personal OB-GYN in the early 1970s in Fayetteville, Arkansas. He has done about 20,000 abortions. He was interviewed at length for my book. He was quite candid, extremely open, and very generous with his time. He likewise is a Methodist. He says that he prays to God that Hillary will be our next president. He has described his patients as “born again,” saved from the scourge of botched abortions. I continue to exchange occasional emails with him. He sent me a copy of his memoirs, each chapter of which starts with a Bible verse. When asked how Hillary, as a Christian, could advocate abortion rights, he was puzzled by the question, noting that Hillary, after all, is a Methodist. Point taken.
Tomorrow I will post the remainder of this interview which will discuss the views of Barack Obama, and more on Rudy Giuliani. Thanks again to Paul for this series.
“a pro-choice Christian?”
Sorry, oxy-moron!!
No such thing as a “Real” pro-choice Christian!!
Sure there is - but Christians always “choose” life - not death.
Thanks Padre, I stand corrected!! :)
We attended the Methodist church for a few years at my wife’s behest until I had had enough ( raised Baptist ) and got her to see what we were tithing to and exposing our kids to. The good folks we left behind that I still talk to just do not get what is happening to their church or they are in denial.
The thing that confuses me is how George Bush continues to attend the Methodist Church while he is consistently is pro-life ( but how do abortionist still claim to be Catholic go figure ).
No such thing as a pro-choice Christian.
Christian’s obey the Commandment, “Thou shalt not kill.”
A New Idolatry for the Contemporary American – Part Two [Pro-Choice]
It is interesting, but there are some very conservative churches under the UM umbrella. There is a movement within the UM church as a whole to drag the church back to biblical teaching and principles.
I don't know, but perhaps the UM church Bush attends is of the conservative bent.
The one I attended was too, until the pastor left and the conference assigned a new liberal one. That was the nail in the coffin for me ( I was having issues with the national church before over the gay and women issues ). The problem with them is the centralization of power. The local church gets little say in who gets the pulpit and where there money goes. Once one comes in he is there a couple of years until the local church can get him to move on and the damage is already done.
I for one have always opposed having a large central authority versus belonging to an independent group/association that aids in ethics and accountability and maintaining control locally. Just like in government people rise up the ladder that are not good for the overall church but layperson have no say. Women pastors and bishops are an example. We got a woman bishop a few years back and she immediately made sweeping changes in our summer youth programs to push her own agenda and begin and try to recruit more women into the ministry and attendance dropped dramatically. Did she accept responsibility and revert it back, no she blamed the local clergy and parishioners for not getting out and rallying the youth. She did other things to that were agenda driven. These changes are originating in the NE churches and being pushed onto the more conservative southern churches. Almost every Methodist I know does not condone women pastors but they have no say in the national church which governs who gets ordained.
I used to turn a blind eye and rationalize it by saying, well at least I am not ... or it does not happen here... but finally just got so sick of being apathetic I had to take a stand. Just like in politics I used to hold my nose and vote for the best of the worst, no more, I will not cast a vote for a candidate I cannot support nor attend a church that tacitly or openly supports or does not speak against things the Bible says are wrong. You are guilty by association if you do not take a stand and just ride the fence so you do not upset the apple cart.
I know whereof you speak on the UM church. We left it too. But I do know that the church we used to attend before we moved is still a conservative church and the members are active in the confessing movement. I pray for their success although I know it is an uphill battle.
To make it real simple, WWJD?
If these people can actually imagine Jesus performing the Miracle of the Dead Fetus - they’re consistent.
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