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January 3, 1521 - Martin Luther excommunicated
History.com ^ | January 3

Posted on 01/03/2008 8:04:03 AM PST by Sopater

On January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.

Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins. He followed up the revolutionary work with equally controversial and groundbreaking theological works, and his fiery words set off religious reformers all across Europe.

In January 1521, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. Three months later, Luther was called to defend his beliefs before Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms, where he was famously defiant. For his refusal to recant his writings, the emperor declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther was protected by powerful German princes, however, and by his death in 1546, the course of Western civilization had been significantly altered.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Mainline Protestant; Theology
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To: Sopater

Shouldn’t this be in “Breaking News?”


21 posted on 01/03/2008 11:04:12 AM PST by CholeraJoe ("At last my arm is complete!" Sweeney Todd)
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To: Sopater
Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins.

And the misconceptions continue today. Sad. Or, perhaps the sentence is just written poorly. I guess I'll assume that for the sake of charity.

For the record though, "indulgences" are not a "sin for free card", nor are they "forgiveness of sin". They pay for the temporal, not eternal, consequence of sin that a just God demands. His Son was (and is) the only one that can pay for the eternal consequence; but just as when you break a window, you should pay to get it fixed (even if its owner forgives you) to be just, when you sin against God, to be wholly just and pure, you are not only asked to pay for the eternal consequence (which only the Son can do for you), but also the temporal consequence (which you either do through prayer and good works of your own or by tapping into the unlimited merit gained by the Saints before you, via indulgences, or by time in Purgatory).

And indulgences could never be bought or sold in the Church before Luther; it was the acts of a few corrupt individuals that did that, not official Church policy; so the Church didn't "change" then either.

But these facts are always dismissed by those all to eager to disparage the Church for whatever (usual) personal reason.

22 posted on 01/03/2008 11:16:14 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
And indulgences could never be bought or sold in the Church before Luther; it was the acts of a few corrupt individuals that did that, not official Church policy; so the Church didn't "change" then either.

When the bishops were absentee caretakers & Rome didn't bother with discipline, what does official church teaching mean if it's not the truth on the ground? In the places where the corrupt & undereducated were running the show, corruption & neglect becomes the default understanding by a share of the flock.

23 posted on 01/03/2008 11:59:12 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: FourtySeven
it was the acts of a few corrupt individuals that did that, not official Church policy; so the Church didn't "change" then either.

Are we talking about indulgences here or pedophile priests? Often times the policy is set by how the authorities deal with said "corrupt individuals" as this is sometimes the primary interface with those who are to interpret the policies, even if they are "unofficial".
24 posted on 01/03/2008 12:07:57 PM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater

Considering Marty’s obsession with excrement (wrote several treatises on the subject), it should have been called the “95 Feces.”


25 posted on 01/03/2008 12:10:32 PM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: Clemenza
Since the Roman Church didn’t denounce all 95 of the Theses, that excrement being thrown is getting thrown at some of the official teachings of Rome.
26 posted on 01/03/2008 12:19:19 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

Not even a Christian, just pointing out one of the eccentricities of Friar Martin.


27 posted on 01/03/2008 12:21:17 PM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: Clemenza
Really?

BTW, "excrement" does not equal "feces".

Feces, faeces, or fæces (see spelling differences) is a waste product from an animal's digestive tract expelled through the anus (or cloaca) during defecation.

Excretion is the process of eliminating waste products of metabolism and other non-useful materials.[1] It is an essential process in all forms of life. It contrasts secretion, where the substance may have specific tasks after leaving the cell.

In humans, the two major excretory processes are the formation of urine in the kidneys and the formation of carbon dioxide (a human's abundant metabolic waste) molecules as a result of respiration, which is then exhaled from the lungs. These waste products are eliminated by urination and exhalation respectively.

28 posted on 01/03/2008 12:22:16 PM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Resolute Conservative

1517-1521: Martin Luther’s preaching divides Bavaria and Germany.
1529: Muslims sweep across Bavaria, laying siege to Vienna.

Care to speculate why the Bavarian regions of Germany are Catholic, whereas the Northern regions are Lutheran?

I’ll give you hint: the defenders of civilization included Poles, Italians, Spaniards, Austrians, Hungarians, Lithuanians, Portuguese... Hmmm... Wherever did the Germans go? Oh, Henry? Henry? Wherefore art thou, Henry? Whatever was King Henry doing in the 1530s? Gustav?


29 posted on 01/03/2008 12:32:05 PM PST by dangus
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To: Pyro7480

Yes, actually most are enthusiastically proclaimed by the Catholic Church. You’ll notice that at this stage, Luther even proclaims the efficacy of indulgences, and speaks as on the side of the pope! (”Those are enemies of Christ, and the Pope, who...”)


30 posted on 01/03/2008 12:38:23 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Closer to Rome and the thumb of the church.


31 posted on 01/03/2008 12:40:44 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: BigEdLB

>> A perfect example of an insular Vatican not seeing the growing fire all around them... <<

Well, it WAS in Rome, quite many days’ journey away (and through the treacherous Switzerland). Certainly, the result would have been preferably if Rome had been as adept at hailing the many important truths of Luther as they were at condemning the errors. But then also the results would have been far more preferable if Luther had deviated from the Theses towards Rome a fraction as much as he deviated from them to oppose Rome, allowing himself to be manipulated by scoundrel lords who simply saw him as an excuse to abandon their defense of civilization, using him much as liberals used budget concerns in the 1980s to oppose defense budgets.


32 posted on 01/03/2008 12:43:19 PM PST by dangus
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To: Resolute Conservative

And having nothing to do with the Muslim armies occupying their lands or their neighboring lands? That’s right: In 1529, Islam lay between Germany and Rome. And Luther pronounced Mohammed preferable to the Pope.


33 posted on 01/03/2008 12:45:20 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
1517-1521: Martin Luther’s preaching divides Bavaria and Germany.

Henry, had been forced by the Church to cede most of his holdings on the continent & his excommunication was an open invitation to any prince in good standing with the Church to claim his crown. Good Catholics were a greater risk to him than the Muslims were.

Prussian princes had been made vassals with the help of the Church a mere few centuries earlier. Holy Roman Emperor indeed.

34 posted on 01/03/2008 12:52:36 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: dangus
And Luther pronounced Mohammed preferable to the Pope.

German's knew what the yoke of the Pope felt like, after Rome sent the sword to convert the last pagan hold outs in Europe.

35 posted on 01/03/2008 12:57:07 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: dangus
Well, it WAS in Rome, quite many days’ journey away (and through the treacherous Switzerland).

Best be able to handle the size chunk you've bit off, else you may end up choking yourself. Citing Rome's distance from portions of Her flock almost looks like support for the Eastern Orthodoxy's position that amounted to greater local control.

Certainly, the result would have been preferably if Rome had been as adept at hailing the many important truths of Luther as they were at condemning the errors.

If he'd been Italian or French instead of German they might have taken him more seriously.

But then also the results would have been far more preferable if Luther had deviated from the Theses towards Rome a fraction as much as he deviated from them to oppose Rome, allowing himself to be manipulated by scoundrel lords who simply saw him as an excuse to abandon their defense of civilization,

Those in the south didn't exactly consider Germans to be part of civilization, so what exactly were those German prince's "abandoning", a culture that mostly despised them?

36 posted on 01/03/2008 1:53:19 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: dangus
You’ll notice that at this stage, Luther even proclaims the efficacy of indulgences, and speaks as on the side of the pope!

Are you sure about that? I'm no scholar on Luther, but I've heard that he had a penchant for sarcasm, and the way I read these Theses, they are just dripping with it.

37 posted on 01/03/2008 1:55:08 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: GoLightly

>> Best be able to handle the size chunk you’ve bit off, else you may end up choking yourself. Citing Rome’s distance from portions of Her flock almost looks like support for the Eastern Orthodoxy’s position that amounted to greater local control. <<

I’ll only defend Rome inasfar as doctrine; I’ll cede many a point about bad governance.

>> If he’d been Italian or French instead of German they might have taken him more seriously. <<

Or perhaps had he lacked his tendency towards provocation, sarcasm, and exaggeration that are cited by his defenders as explanations for his more outrageous comments.

>> Those in the south didn’t exactly consider Germans to be part of civilization, so what exactly were those German prince’s “abandoning”, a culture that mostly despised them? <<

Uh, the conflict against the Muslims?


38 posted on 01/03/2008 2:30:13 PM PST by dangus
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To: Zero Sum

Does this sound sarcastic?

“The pope does excellently when he grants remission to the souls in purgatory on account of intercessions made on their behalf, and not by the power of the keys (which he cannot exercise for them).”

In that passage he seems to be arguing that the pope has no authority to release souls from purgatory himself, but he does seem to assert that intercessions are effective in granting remission to the souls in purgatory.


39 posted on 01/03/2008 2:33:07 PM PST by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy
I didn't think civil authorities had the authority to make theological pronouncements.

Today, not.  But as I understand it, in 1521, the Bishop of Rome claimed authority of Emperors, Kings, Dukes, and all civil government.  Kings were only vassals and representatives of Rome.

40 posted on 01/03/2008 2:54:27 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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