Posted on 02/07/2008 2:22:50 PM PST by Pyro7480
From the Italian daily Corriere della Sera:
Italian Rabbinical Assembly: "Pause for reflection in the dialogue" with Catholics
The opinion on the change of the Good Friday prayer: "An abandonment of the very conditions for dialogue"
ROME - And now, a rupture. The Italian Rabbinical Asseembly considers necessary a "pause for reflection in the dialogue" with Catholics after the modification of the Good Friday prayer for the Jews.
And it underlines that the modification decided by Pope Ratzinger is "an abandonment of the very conditions for dialogue". The Assembly states so in a note signed by its president, Rabbi Giuseppe Laras.
And this is what, to me?
Catholic ping!
Big deal.
Why even have a dialogue? As Christians we should embrace the Jews as our brothers and Judaism as our spiritual heritage and that should be the end of it. Our job is to spread the Good News of salvation through Jesus Christ and win souls to Christ.
Good! I’m glad there’s one less phony “dialogue” in the world.
Dialogue means listening to what we have to say, as well, and - that’s what we have to say.
I love the way all these people keep holding up JPII as the example of what they wanted. First of all, he’d have been a heretic if he really taught the things they seem to think he taught. Granted, he was occasionally somewhat ambiguous in his statements, and I suspect his idea of “dialogue” was sort of on the photo op level. But if they want a real dialogue, Benedict’s the man; instead, obviously, they didn’t want a real dialogue at all.
I can't imagine that they'll like it.
Details at 11.
I think this is a hand-picked group of “Muslim scholars” who are considered Western-friendly (at least one is from a Western convert Sufi background) - which, of course, means they are considered heretics by the really dangerous Muslims, and whatever they say to the Pope won’t count anyway.
Sorry, Rabbi, We are not going to cease to be Christian.
So, we should change it back?
Good riddence.
News Flash !shalom b'SHEM Yah'shuaYah'shua is a Jew; He is not a catholic !
He will come and reign on the throne of King David in Jerusalem.
How about this dialogue from John the Baptist: “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand”.
LOL!
Sorry, but Catholics don't have an obligation to change their prayers to sooth the wounded egos of rabbis. Having a diolgue with these malcontents was a mistake in the first place.
Jesus was born a Jew and remains ethnically Jewish, but He founded the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
You think he would object to a prayer that prays for His own people to recognize him as their Messiah?
YHvH's larger plan of salvation, where His People are blinded for a time,shalom b'shem Yah'shua
in order to bring His salvation to the gentile nations.NAsbU Romans 11:15 For if their ( His Chosen People )And their ultimate salvation after a period of blindness is guaranteed by YHvH's covenant :
rejection is the reconciliation of the world,
what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
NAsbU Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren,
to be uninformed of this mystery--
so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--
that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until
the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written (in Isaiah 59),
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27 "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Nope....your friend Constantine did that....and the Church he founded bore absolutely no resemblance to the First Century Christian Church of the Apostles. Still doesn't....and never will!
The notion that Constantine “founded” the Catholic Church is nothing but a bigoted fantasy promoted by the likes of Dan Brown. Legalizing Christianity isn’t the same as founding a church.
Oh please don't punish them so. Give them one more chance. I'll make sure they behave this time. They'll even eat the crumbs that fall off your table. /sarc.
You really should reread what Saint Paul wrote about the Judaizers, and check yourself.
So you agree that the gates of Hell did indeed overcome the Church! Good, at least I know what you believe, and why we should all ignore you.
What foolishness! Jesus Christ founded his Church on earth and it is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, commonly known as the Roman Catholic Church. If you're not a Catholic but consider yourself a Christian know that you are seperated from the One True Church and all the rationalizations in the world, all the illogical assumptions and revised history you can conjure up won't change that fact.
Well....like I said in my post....it's obvious Our Lord did not found the Catholic Church as it bears no resemblance to the Church He left us in the scriptures....so just what did Constantine do?
Who's Dan Brown?
Balderdash!
Do you know what the Greek translation for "Gates of Hell" is?
I thought not!
Isn't that Greek for "boardgame"? :-)
I think you're right!
The good news is, it's already been decided in our favor. So this problem of dogma is superfluous.
5.56mm
ROFL!!!!!!
Obvious????? Sez you ...
I say it's obvious that the Church Jesus founded in the Gospels, the Church in the Acts of the Apostles, the Church to which Peter, Paul, James, John, etc. wrote their letters was and is what we now call the Catholic Church.
Who are you to claim that I'm wrong? By what authority would you presume to do so?
Probably not ... it is mildly amusing, though.
Duck and weave, while raising the shield of arrogance, and striking with the sword of humiliation. That is not an answer.
Constantine became a catechumen when he realized he was dying, and he chose the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia as his baptizer. You realize that the Arians were the major opponents of the Catholics, right? Well, then.
If you'd like to corkscrew this around for your own purposes, go ahead, have a bash at it. There's a real market for ecclesiastical fiction. The Da Vinci Code was quite a money-maker, I hear.
Agreed.
Please.......The scriptures I study were canonized by the Council of Jamnia (90 A.D.) and Our Lord Himself as stated in [Luke 24:44]. Notice....He does not include the spurious books of the Septuagint which automatically eliminates the Roman Church from any claim of Canon authority!
As far as the New Testament....the Apostles canonized each others work which is very easy to decipher. Sorry.....you folks were a day late....and a dollar short..... as usual.
Did you ever wonder about [Romans 3:1-2]?
Do you find it interesting that Jesus and his brother Jude used a book that was neither canonized by Jamnia nor by NT canonizers. The book of "Enoch" where the concept of the "elect" comes from and also a book that whoever wrote the NT book of Jude quotes from?
Your Church bears no resemblance to this New Testament Church described in scripture. Even with your claim of being able to change things.....as you go along....it's still silly to even claim any similarity. Most people see this. Unfortunately for you....you don't. You have been led to believe fairy tales!
Who are you to claim that I'm wrong? By what authority would you presume to do so?
I have the authority of scripture on my side. Wanna' debate?
Offer up some scripture to defend your position and I will read it.
This would be nominal for a founding father of your organization.
If you'd like to corkscrew this around for your own purposes, go ahead, have a bash at it.
You folks always get upset when someone calls your outfit for what it is....and always has been. Defend it with scripture and we'll see what we'll see!
Jude is basically talking of "A" prophecy of Enoch....not the "Book".
1 Timothy 3:15
May the Lord bless you in your zeal. I will post nothing further to you.
Forgive.
Thank you for your blessing. I would bless you in your search for truth as well.
Check this out. Let me know when you're done.
Good night, everybody.
Well. Judes prophecy was taken from the book of Enoch. The same book found intact by Charles bruce in 1800's Ethiopia.
Compare please.
Jude.... 14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch...Chapter 2, verse 1...Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
Pretty clear to me.
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