Posted on 02/20/2008 4:47:37 PM PST by NYer
Any particular place you want me to begin with, or do you want me to just jump in with both feet?
Ah, but if it is transformed, why then does Jesus tell us that it would turn back into wine again in the new age? Or are you saying that Jesus intends to drink His own blood at His Second Coming?
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom."Dr Eckleburg, I believe you have an appropriate link/article for the Catholics to read...
- Matthew 26:27-29
Masterful.
The priest turns from the altar and presents the Host and Chalice to the kneeling faithful of the parish. “Behold the Lamb of God; behold He Who taketh away the sins of the world, “ he intones. “Happy are those who art called to His supper.”
In his frail hands, the priest holds aloft the Body and Blood of God Himself.
This is the New Age. The Kingdom of God is here, now.
Blasphemous garbage - please don’t ping me to nonsense like this again.
Thank you
Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present.-- Luther's Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.
Ah, but that was on another thread. Somebody ping Narses! He says the dragging of complaints from thread to thread is a violation of the TOS for this site.
Blasphemy: impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
Is it blasphemy to read aloud from the Holy Bible and follow the mandates therein or is it blasphemy to deny that these words are even in the Holy Bible when simply opening Scripture will show you otherwise?
No, it’s blasphemous to twist the holy word of God to mean what you want it to mean, to support centuries of spiritual whoredom.
Transubstantiation is simply wrong. If you can’t discern by the Holy Spirit and by a study of Scripture, contextually, what is metaphoric, what is literal, what is hyperbolic, what is symbolic, and what is poetic without consulting the Mystical Magical Magisterium or blindly following history, then you will remain in spiritual darkness.
Again, please don’t ping me to this garbage.
Wagglebee and NYer were just opening a discussion of the article. ItsOurTime, you seem very upset and hostile for no clear reason. I’m sure your strong response will be respected and no one will ping you on matters of faith if you ask. You seem somehow quite angry over a benign doctrine which has been an integral part of one of the world’s largest and greatest religions for over 2000 years. If you can only express how angry you are, why not just drop out of the conversation? I’m sure no one meant to offend you.
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Review this later.
Otto,
Always jump in with both feet, it gets more interesting that way.
John 6 is pretty specific last time I checked.
Another good one! Thank you! I’m going to send this one to DH. He’s really enjoying the apologetics side of things.
Do you see a complaint? I don't.
At the Last Supper, Christ says, “This is my body.”
“This is my blood.”
Do this in remembrance of me.”
All the proof I need from the Bible.
**it’s blasphemous to twist the holy word of God to mean what you want it to mean**
But Protestants do this all the time. We call it YOPIOS.
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