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To: wagglebee; Claud
Furthermore, which "body" was given for the forgiveness of sins??? The one that hung on the cross or the one that the church is supposedly eating??? The are the same Body.

Are they really??? How many times does Jesus have to die for the forgiveness of sins???

Is this the Gospel or isn't it???

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures." [I Corinthians 15:1-4]

Note that "died" is past tense --

Note also that phrase "if ye keep in memory". What did Jesus say??? "Do This In MEMORY of Me". The remembrance aspect of the Lord's Supper was an aide to helping the church "keep in memory" that "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" -- a past tense and one time event.

54 posted on 02/21/2008 8:04:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Claud
Are they really??? How many times does Jesus have to die for the forgiveness of sins???

Only once.

Note that "died" is past tense --

Of course it was. And no, NONE of Paul's Epistles are Gospels.

You are operating under some sort of misconception that Christ is currently dead and that the Mass somehow "kills" Him.

This is quite erroneuos and as I've pointed out at odds with nearly three-quarters of Christians worldwide.

Again, I note your unwillingness to address how a wafer which is not the Body of Christ and is really nothing more than a "memory aid" can be considered greater than Manna from Heaven.

55 posted on 02/21/2008 8:12:06 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Uncle Chip

Christ died once for all. We agree with you 100% on that. But there is a distinction we are making between the bloody sacrifice of Calvary and the unbloody sacrifice of the Mass.

In other words, Catholic teaching holds that the sacrifice and the victim is the same—it is only the manner of offering that changes. And that is what Paul is getting at when he says that Christ “is a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek”.

He is a priest forever because His sacrifice of Himself continues forever—but it is not a crucifixion again, it is the Melchizedek style of sacrifice—the offering of bread and wine.

Incidentally, as you mentioned Passover...many scholars believe that Christ refused the fourth cup of the Passover meal—”until I am come into my kingdom”. He took the cup, effectively, on the cross right before he died—that’s really when that Passover ended for him—”it is finished”. So the Last Supper and Calvary were all part of His Passover. They were fused into one act for Him, and they are fused into one act for us as well.


56 posted on 02/21/2008 8:17:55 AM PST by Claud
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