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ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL
Apprising Ministries ^ | January 16, 2008 | Ken Silva

Posted on 02/28/2008 6:25:40 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

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To: the_conscience; Dr. Eckleburg
...second, concommitant with the first, is taking the sacraments too lightly missing out on true blessings associated with the sacraments.

What specific blessings are we missing out on?

We call them ordinances because we do not believe they impart Grace. We do take them very seriously. For example we only Baptize those that have professed a belief in The Gospel and have declared Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour.

If anything I would think you would argue we take these ordinances too seriously.

561 posted on 03/01/2008 5:26:47 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: rbosque; Manfred the Wonder Dawg
You started this post challenging the authenticity of my faith by declaring the Catholic Church teaches another Gospel.

Does your church teach that RC's will be saved without baptism? Or does your church teach that baptism is required to be saved?

562 posted on 03/01/2008 5:31:00 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights

Baptism has always been taught as a precondition for salvation. The Catholic Church has always taught that, it is one of the seven Sacraments.

But it is by no means the only precondition.


563 posted on 03/01/2008 5:42:18 PM PST by rbosque ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Marysecretary

“Your religion has plenty of heresy in it.”

What religion (I ask again) is that you speak of? What denomination are you?


564 posted on 03/01/2008 6:13:05 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Ya mean as in every other hour or every other day? At least every other week.


565 posted on 03/01/2008 6:16:00 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: OLD REGGIE

There are many thousands of Priests who leave the Catholic Church every year for one reason or other yet I hunt in vain to find “Protestants” who make it a habit to hunt them up and post propaganda pieces by, or concerning them.

= = =

Excellent point.

But then . . . we aren’t so focused on the

big nurturing bossom of the MOTHER church and

THE EARTH MOTHER IDOL figure

. . . even those of us under-nurtured by mommy somehow manage to cope otherwise than running to an EARTH-MOTHER EDIFICE and EARTH-MOTHER archetype.

And, I think we expect folks to search Scripture themselves. Beating the bushes trying to post examples of priests who had the good sense to pay attention to Holy Spirit’s enlightening them is just not our priority.

Though . . . endless RC posts of such ilk could eventually change my mind and sensibilities on such scores. Alas, it’s just too low a priority given so many other higher ones.


566 posted on 03/01/2008 6:19:11 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: rbosque

Hogwash.

Warmed over hogwash.

Empty, bankrupt hogwash.


567 posted on 03/01/2008 6:20:22 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: OLD REGGIE
There are many thousands of Priests who leave the Catholic Church every year...

Many thousands every year?

Suuuuure.

568 posted on 03/01/2008 6:20:40 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Gospel or toxic waste


569 posted on 03/01/2008 6:23:17 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Quix; rbosque

The many who masquerade as teachers imbued with the authority of the Paraclete here astounds. They have no credibility, they are the tinny and small sounds of the gnat buzzing in the night. The Light of the World gave us the Apostles to teach us the very Word that He also gave us. I will listen to the Apostles and their legitimate successors - not the legion of small and tinny voices trying so hard to be an authority and yet having none.

No authority, no credibility nothing of value. Disputatious and irrelevant.


570 posted on 03/01/2008 6:27:31 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Quix

So you’re telling me that the Sacrament of Baptism does not exist in the Catholic Church?

Please provide your evidence because I’ve had it with people on FR for the past 10 years (who have never set foot in a Catholic Church) tell me the basics of MY faith. I’ve participated in many baptisms so I must have been doped up during those times. I’ve been a Catholic for 44 years & a Franciscan and this is news to me.


571 posted on 03/01/2008 6:27:55 PM PST by rbosque ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: narses

If a donkey speaks by Holy Spirit with a message from God for you,

you’ll be a/an . . .

if you fail to listen, heed and obey.

However, I recognize your right to continue trying to drink from a broken cistern.


572 posted on 03/01/2008 6:30:12 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Yawn.....


573 posted on 03/01/2008 6:33:24 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses

Absolutely.


574 posted on 03/01/2008 6:42:59 PM PST by rbosque ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: rbosque; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; fortheDeclaration; DarthVader; All

HELLO???? ARE WE ON THE SAME PLANET?

I was replying to your post at #537:

You don’t know what you are talking about. You are only here to bash my faith, and what purpose does that serve? Is it egoism? Perhaps you are trying to justify your own faith by vilifying the Catholic Church.

“The holy Roman Church is senior to the other churches not by virtue of any synodal decrees, but obtained the primacy from Our Lord and Savior in the words of the Gospel, ‘Thou art Peter...’” Pope Gelasius, Decree of Gelasium (A.D. 492).

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1. You don’t know what you are talking about.

We Prottys goof plenty . . . but on the whole, we aren’t idiots. We have a lot of good insights on Christianity in general and even on the RC edifice. As the Chinese say—it’s the onlooker who sees the game the best.

2. You are only here to bash my faith,

HOGWASH. We are here to point out blasphemous, idolatrous hogwash of a danger to souls . . . particularly to the lurkers given that the dyed-in-the-wool folks already know everything.

3. what purpose does that serve?

Warning folks about blasphemous idolatries is pretty important Scripturally . . . Old and New Testament.

4. Is it egoism?

Speaking only for myself—NOT AT ALL. There are dozens—actually 100’s or 1,000’s of EASIER, MORE FULFILLING AND MORE FLATTERING ways to get ego fulfillment.

5. Perhaps you are trying to justify your own faith by vilifying the Catholic Church.

UHTTM: UNMITIGATED HOGWASH TO THE MAX

A) The RCC edifice vilifies itself routinely better than we could ever do in our limited time and with our limited efforts.

B) Our own faith is fully justified in Scripture and in our experience walking with Jesus and His Spirit.

We don’t DESPERATELY NEED OR OTHERWISE NEED all the rituals, NURTURING BOSSOM EARTH MOTHER ENGULFING MAGICSTERICAL AND THE NURTURING BOSSOM EARTH MOTHER ARCHETYPE IN MARY to help us feel comfortable around God. Daddy is OUR DADDY and He’s the BEST of everything of all that is. We prefer to avoid Suzy come lately’s . . . err . . . Mary come lately’s . . . with all the evolving every so many centuries . . . a new blasphemous idolatrous Maian dogma . . .

6. Actually, the RC edifice and it’s successful political power mongering never fooled God for a second. Usurping political power will NEVER substitute for Holy Spirit anointing . . . not with the RC edifice and not with TV evangelists.


575 posted on 03/01/2008 6:44:20 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: TASMANIANRED; Marysecretary
Mighty smug about your bigotry.

You've kinda confirmed my impression of you tas, you are just looking for an excuse to get personal and insulting. Show the wide world your vast capabilities and prove that the simple act of sharing ones faith and any refusal that the refusing party(eis) are being sent to exile Soviet Siberia. Waiting...... still waiting....... don't see you being marched off to a concentration camp yet........ still waiting....... However, you comment above is what I would expect from someone I would expect to support such action, and not Mary's :)

576 posted on 03/01/2008 6:45:25 PM PST by Godzilla (My ancestors were humans. Sorry to hear about yours.)
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To: narses

Perhaps more sleep and less Mary worship would be beneficial.


577 posted on 03/01/2008 6:45:40 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

“HELLO???? ARE WE ON THE SAME PLANET?”

Nope. On Planet QUIX, you are Supreme Arbiter of All. On Earth - a tinny buzzing little voice that bores and boors. Different planets entirely.


578 posted on 03/01/2008 6:46:18 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: rbosque; Quix

Only on Planet QUIX. There Quix is all-powerful. On Earth, a bore and a boor and a bigot.


579 posted on 03/01/2008 6:48:01 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses

Methinks the assaults could use some polish.

But then we make allowance for those with less experience than some hereon.


580 posted on 03/01/2008 6:49:00 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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