Posted on 03/10/2008 1:04:05 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
The Vatican has gone to meddling again. They've decided that the original seven deadly sins just aren't enough. We need some new ones. So here you go, but first, a review. For those of you who don't remember the original seven, here you go, courtesy of Pope Gregory back there in the 6th Century.
Pride Broken on the wheel
Envy Put in freezing water
Gluttony Forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone
Anger Dismembered alive
Greed Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
Sloth Thrown in snake pits
Hold on a minute! What are those phrases after the sins? Why those are the punishments originally established by the Catholic Church for transgressors.
Moving right along to the new magnificent seven! Genetic experimentation
Tampering with the order of nature
Pollution
Social injustice
Causing poverty
Accumulating excessive wealth
Drug abuse
Now you know. Adjust your behavior accordingly
Yeah .. right.
Sure, but there is no penalty for the new ones. Who is going to listen to this. Got to have some kind of discomfort or it’s just entertainment.
Search much?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983260/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983354/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983333/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1983235/posts
Even “media skeptics” like Neal Boortz believe the MSM spin on this. As Bugs Bunny liked to say, “what a maroon!”
I still have to ask why anyone who isn’t Catholic would bother to take offense.
You don’t follow it so what’s the problem?
I don’t handle snakes and don’t care which sect does, so why is Benedict’s edict a problem for everyone else?
Whew! I have only committed one of these “new” sins, in addition to the other five “old” sins I have committed, I guess I’m not doing to badly.
Nope. Why?
Well, why don't you give us the OFFICIAL word???
The problem is, I can’t read the Italian. But given past MSM “spin” of Catholic Church-related stuff, I don’t trust anything they report about the Church.
What do you think about it?
Who has taken offense? You don’t follow it so what’s the problem?
Why do you assume (falsely) that I have a problem? Or do you automatically assume that becasue I am not a Catholic I have no right to post something about the Catholic Church to see whatothers have to say? I don’t handle snakes and don’t care which sect does, so why is Benedict’s edict a problem for everyone else?
How did snake handling get into this? And who said anything about something being a problem for everyone else?
Take the chip off your shoulder and discuss the article's contents -- that's why it was posted.
Those who love to hate the church slurp up the MSM's effluvia.
Matthew 5:44
Mark 13:13
Luke 6:22
John 15:18-19
Nothing -- except that it is interesting to see the reaction to it -- and that is why I posted it.
Interesting.........thanks.
I have not been able to find any confirmation of this. I checked out the Vatican website. The only news about the Cardinal mentioned which involved confessions did not say anything about new sins. It was about how confession is in a crisis and how priest’s can better meet the needs of the penitent. The only actual sin mentioned was divorce and remarriage.
I never, ever rely on the news’ to report on religion. Catholic or Protestant. Also remember that the English edition of L’ Osservato Roma (sp) is only released once a week. The daily edition is in Italian, so there could very well be major blunders in translation.
That was a generic question.
It was into the ether.
And, yes thank you, I have already been discussing this on other threads trying to defend the church against some absolutely silly interpretations of what Catholics believe.
You might want to remove the chip on yours.
Are they going to add more homunculi to Full Metal Alchemist?
What chip is that. Does posting something about the Catholic Church for discussion constitute having a chip on one's shoulder?
Right. There’s nothing new here at all. Tampering with nature and genetic experimentation fall under “pride,” which is claiming/playing the role of God; “excessive wealth” and “causing poverty” usually result from greed; inattention to the environment, i.e., “pollution,” is a result of sloth; “drug abuse” is connected to gluttony. Regarding “social injustice,” well, it depends on what the specific injustice is. But when it all comes down, every sin is a result of the first cardinal sin, PRIDE, which is believing our way of doing things—as opposed to God’s way, or the way of Natural Law—is better.
Attributing motives and other forms of "readings minds" is "making it personal."
Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the Religion Forum.
Let’s try this again. If you post an article on gay, blind prostitutes and raw vegetable worship, and I reply to you with some question, it does not mean it is directed to you and I neither think you are a raw vegetable worshiping gay blind prostitute, nor do I care.
It means that you posted the article and the reference is to your post.
Ok. Are you with me this far?
My generic question into the ether and for the board was: Why would anyone who is non-catholic care?
Are you with me this far?
If you are trying to be clever, you just crashed and burned.
Little men, have nothing to do with the subject of the thread, unless you have some little green ones from another planet to contribute.
If it ruffles your feathers, pull the thread -- it's no skin off my ear.
Voting for any democrate candidate (US Only) - punishment = you get what you deserve
Saying anything negative about Hitler-y (US Only) - punishment = you get fosterized
Saying anything negative about Ann Coulter (US Only) - punishment = eternal listening to recordings of b. clinton speeches
Thinking - even in your heart - that the catholic church needs to get a life (world wide) - punishment = eternal control of papacy by european prelates.
The writer is an ignoramus.
There are no new sins. Just new circumstances in which man's fallen nature transgresses God's law. The sin of selfishness, for instance, could be manifest on a medieval feudal manor by allowing your mule to graze on another farmer's pasture and it can be manifest today in a modern industrial society by throwing your effluent into another man's food source.
Same sin, different century.
This is a childish outburst of ignorance.
Is there any scriptual foundation for these findings?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
Surely you can see how these relate to sins in scripture, yes?
Judging by what I have seen online about this it looks like it is nothing more than an interview with a Bishop about sin in the modern world. Hardly an example of the Vatican actually adding new sins. And there is no list of sins to add anything to in the first place. What it comes down to is this doesn’t create any new sins, just as Bishop Mahoney has never been able to delete any.
LOL ;-)
Shooting heroin, for example, is not in scripture, but I think we would agree it’s not unscriptural to say it’s a sin.
"To begin with is the whole "rules based" approach of the author, which is fundamentally tone deaf to the fact that the faith is about relationship, not breaking rules. Off on that wrong footing, the author then makes it sound like the Vatican has added new "mortal sins" to some traditional list in order to keep up with Euro-trendiness. As is often the case, Dante somehow becomes an extension of the Magisterium (and the author even concludes with a list of official looking hellish punishments for the traditional seven deadlies, all derived from the Inferno).
" Then we discover that the "seven holy virtues" are "chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility". At this point my WTF? meter goes off and I am aware that the author, with his rules-based approach to the Faith has not the slighted idea what he's talking about. His view of the Faith, like so many secular Brits, is of a regimen that's all about crushing human happiness with fasting, abstinence and celibacy. The goal of this strawman Catholicism is to transform a man into a sheep. In the Catholic world I know of, the seven virtues are prudence, justice, temperance, fortitude, faith, hope and love, which are ordered toward transforming a man into a heroic saint in imitation of Jesus Christ. The Brit media should check it out sometime.
" Anyway, the piece goes stumbling along, partly repelled by the Scary Authoritarian Catholic Church and partly enamored of what it takes to be a religious effort to conform to the Gaia-worship so popular among secular Brits. To be sure, there's always a note of cynicism at play in the piece. One gets the sense that the author imagines "the Vatican" is jumping on the Mother Earth bandwagon as part of its relentless Jesuitical scheming to insinuate itself into the good graces of the Euro-elites. In reality, of course, all "the Vatican" is doing is applying the same old moral principles of sin and virtue to contemporary situations. You shall not kill--even when the person you are killing is really small. Tend and care for the Garden of Creation--even if you are the President of a giant corporation.
" It's all so Not New. But newspapers need copy every day, so they don't let their ignorance get in the way of the stream of "information."
I would say it is desecrating the temple of G-d.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
“This is a childish outburst of ignorance.”
You were excepting maybe some other kind?
“This is a childish outburst of ignorance.”
You were expecting maybe some other kind?
Oh my, are you sure some of these aren’t rules for us all by the DNC
There is no Catholic post listed on Zenit and I believe all these four posts are only spin.
I’ll post the seven deadly sins and the seven heavenly virtues later.
Religion Moderator — frankly, I believe this is the fourth thread on the entire forum bashing the Vatican. What is happening here?
You haven’t seen anything yet — wait until some unsuspecting soul posts a thread about Mormons.
Yes, “desecrating the temple of G-d”. I agree.
I think the others on the list can be categorized as sin similarly.
thanks for your reply.
TO: ladyinred
It might be a list for all of us to kinda work at, but for the DNC it is most likely their reminder for list for things to discuss with the Padre during their next confession.
It just doesn't get any better than that.
man this is bizarre
good lord, is the Vatican really this PC.....this sounds more like Unitarians
if this is true, it’s friggin awful
So...if I comminted one of these the day before it was “deemed,” am I guilty?
Believe me, we, as Catholics, get the bashing day after day after day.
I just posted a thread defining the seven deadly sins:
pride
avarice (greed)
lust
envy
anger
gluttony
sloth
I’ll put the link in the next post.
Not “new sins” but an old media blind spot (Vatican _DOES_NOT_ Announce Seven New Deadly Sins)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983663/posts
That should make the masses of RCs happy. This is how they make doctrine, by popular vote.
So it's a virtue than?
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