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To: vladimir998
Adolf Hitler...was, in fact, excommunicated twice.

Other than the passive "excommunication" of Latia Sentia--by which someone's unrepented of and unconfessed mortal sins excommunicate them in the eyes of God, when and where was Hitler ever formally excommunicated by a Roman Catholic authority?

I daresay since the center of popular Nazism was Bavaria--and a majority of the SS were Austrian, more self-professed Roman Catholics followed him than Lutherans. Of course none of this makes Roman Catholicism the source of Hitler's evil.

Calling Luther the source of Nazism....something very few reputable historians have ever claimed.....this kind of blatant Protestant bashing really should stop.

264 posted on 03/15/2008 3:35:03 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
I daresay since the center of popular Nazism was Bavaria

And you would be TOTALLY wrong. You must have missed post 171.

268 posted on 03/15/2008 3:38:48 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
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To: AnalogReigns

“Calling Luther the source of Nazism....something very few reputable historians have ever claimed.....this kind of blatant Protestant bashing really should stop.”

Thus far, the arguments offered have been that the Pope is to blame.

I don’t see this as Protestant bashing at all. I think a serious discussion is warranted, but it hasn’t been offered by the Protestants.


271 posted on 03/15/2008 3:39:48 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: AnalogReigns
by which someone's unrepented of and unconfessed mortal sins excommunicate them in the eyes of God

Sorry, AR, but that's wrong.

It's specific sins, not any mortal sin, and they aren't excommunicated only in the eyes of God. They are excommunicated in the eyes of the Church, just as much as someone who is excommunicated by a formal decree (called ferendae sententiae).

It's true that the church can't enforce the excommunication if she doesn't know about the sin, but that's the only difference. In Hitler's case that was obviously not an issue.

The whole "Hitler wasn't excommunicated" silliness is honestly a very moot point. Excommunicating Hitler wouldn't have done anything -- he didn't attempt to receive communion at any time after his teens -- and there was never much doubt about what Rome thought of him ... none at all after Mit Brennender Sorge.

279 posted on 03/15/2008 3:45:41 PM PDT by Campion
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To: AnalogReigns

You wrote:

“Other than the passive “excommunication” of Latia Sentia—by which someone’s unrepented of and unconfessed mortal sins excommunicate them in the eyes of God, when and where was Hitler ever formally excommunicated by a Roman Catholic authority?”

All Nazis were excommunicated by the German bishops in the early 1930s. That included Hitler who was number 555 (or 7 depending on source) in the Nazis.

“I daresay since the center of popular Nazism was Bavaria—and a majority of the SS were Austrian, more self-professed Roman Catholics followed him than Lutherans.”

I daresay taht since Germany was 2/3 Protestant or so, it was probably heavy on the Protestant support for Hitler.

“Of course none of this makes Roman Catholicism the source of Hitler’s evil.”

True. Nor does it make Lutheranism the source. I think Luther is unfairly said to be the father of Hitler in ideals.

“Calling Luther the source of Nazism....something very few reputable historians have ever claimed.....this kind of blatant Protestant bashing really should stop.”

Notice, I’m not doing it. I said I thought such ideas simply went too far.

Can someone say that Luther help create a modern Germany soaked in anti-semitism? Yes, he helped. And far too many Catholics were also far too involved with anti-semitism too!


294 posted on 03/15/2008 4:04:53 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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