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1 posted on 04/04/2008 11:29:58 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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2 posted on 04/04/2008 11:34:16 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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I really just need the one reason: the jaw-smashing paradox that “sola scriptura” does not appear in Scripture.


3 posted on 04/04/2008 11:37:03 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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One reason Protestants reject an Oral Interpretive Tradition is that the examples they are provided by Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are so "out there." Two examples:

1)Most Catholic/Orthodox opponents of "sola scriptura" reject Biblical inerrancy. Thus inerrancy and sufficiency get become blended in the minds of both parties to the argument, either accepted or rejected in tandem. And since Fundamentalist Protestants refuse to ascribe errancy to the Word of G-d, they feel compelled to reject Divine Tradition as well.

2)Catholicism and Orthodoxy condemn the observance of the Torah, insisting that J*sus put an end to all that. Protestants quite logically conclude that if J*sus put an end to Biblical law, he sure as shootin' didn't intend to institute a post-Biblical law in its place. Thus their reading of J*sus' and Paul's condemnation of Torah observance and tradition is interpreted in a more consistent way as a condemnation of chr*stian tradition as well. That Paul is condemning G-d's Torah but not "apostolic tradition" would be to make him a hypocrite . . . wouldn't it?

5 posted on 04/04/2008 11:46:39 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshei hashanah.)
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True, scripture by itself is not enough. I need the Holy Spirit, which has lived in me since my conversion.

Teaching and so forth is very important. But we are always to test the spirits. The spirits are tested against what scripture says as interpreted by the Holy Spirit.

6 posted on 04/04/2008 11:48:13 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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True.. some protestants worship the Bible(as an IDOL) as some RCC and EO worship their church(as an IDOL).. Of course both deny it, but it is true, for some..

In a time when literally almost NOBODY had a bible old or new testament if they could read at all, including some apostles.... What did they depend on?.. The teachings of some other probably illiterate "authority"?.. The post above makes many assumptions not accepted many is at least an argument,..

Could make for some interesting observations.. Its amazing to me that the Holy Spirit is almost completely negelected on most of these discussions.. Like the Holy SPirit is not a personality with a ministry and message and active ministration of his work.. But his authority is usurped..

I Am looking forward to the discourse..

7 posted on 04/04/2008 11:50:10 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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Burn everybody


8 posted on 04/04/2008 11:50:27 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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What a terrific dissertation. I would sell my soul to be able to author such a work (just kidding).


10 posted on 04/04/2008 11:51:26 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: big'ol_freeper
So many words... so little sense.

By this doctrine, which is one of the foundational beliefs of Protestantism, a Protestant denies that there is any other source of religious authority or divine Revelation to humanity.

This is totally analagous to the permanent debate on our Constitution: a living document or strict Originalism?

The latter allows the application of individual conscience which, done in good faith, is appropriate for a multitude of reasons, regardless of the individual Christian sect.

The alternative interposes imperfect men into the equation, and the abuse resulting is so historically demonstrable and universal as to be beyond debate.

Neither the Old Testament nor the New discusses infallibility explicitly. That, and the historical record argues persuasively for the individual choice, for better or for worse.

14 posted on 04/04/2008 12:10:10 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Joshua 1:7-8 completely supports sola scriptura.


15 posted on 04/04/2008 12:10:16 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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An honest inquirer must ask, then, whether Luther’s doctrine of "Scripture alone"

The whole debate is disingenuous. Luther did not really advocate 'Scriptures alone', he advocated that Scriptures were the highest authority and should be open to the masses to read.

18 posted on 04/04/2008 12:19:09 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible

Neither is the Trinity or the Creeds.

27 posted on 04/04/2008 12:53:16 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (Elect Conservatives- if you don't vote for McCain, at least work to elect conservatives!)
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ping for later read


30 posted on 04/04/2008 1:08:42 PM PDT by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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What I would like to know, if Scripture is not the ultimate guide, what the Catholic church uses to determine if it should correct errors of the past? I mean, for example, here we have Benedict saying that Martin Luther wasn’t so bad, but back then they were ready to burn him at the stake.


43 posted on 04/04/2008 4:19:20 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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I think a more candid list would read:

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men.

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men.

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men.

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men....


45 posted on 04/04/2008 4:37:16 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: big'ol_freeper

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47 posted on 04/04/2008 4:42:29 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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What is Sola Scriptura?

“We believe in the Bible alone and the Bible in its entirety as the sole rule of faith for the Christian!”
________________________________________________

Then I am Sola Scriptura...

If that means there are no other books needed...


49 posted on 04/04/2008 5:29:12 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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BTTT!


58 posted on 04/04/2008 8:10:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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“We don’t need no theology” — the Crouch couple on telebision. (Quoted from memory.) That’s quite enough of Protestantism for this Catholic!


60 posted on 04/04/2008 8:29:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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77 posted on 04/05/2008 4:51:39 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Excellent presentation! Thank you for posting this thread. Bookmarked!


79 posted on 04/06/2008 4:55:04 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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