I think the leader looks more like PM..don't you?
Posted on 05/08/2008 7:35:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
Well I’m going back to bed, the tornado warning has passed and everyone is back upstairs and in bed so rime for granddaf to fo the same.
who is the P-marllow guy?
courtesy ping to gogov.
sorry, i know you left the thread, but pirate's post was addressed to you.
look ma, no caps.
[The Adam God theory debunked:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Adam-God]
Now that is a hoot. We are supposed to accept the papering over of the issue by the “fairmormon” site as definitive gospel, yet the Tanner site is claimed to be full of lies and blasphemy. By the way, your citation doesn’t wish away the fact Brigham Young taught Adam God, it just postulates he goofed. But if he goofed on that fundamental level, and he was a prophet, why should anyone give the “fairmormon” site the time of day when its views are heavily informed by Brigham Young?
[If you posted about early popes who were very controversial, such as these, then yes, it would be an attack on Catholics.]
So, I assume you would agree that any mention of paedophile priests should be banned from Free Republic because it would be “an attack”? Perhaps that’s why so many of your cohorts rushed to defend the FLDS.
You did not post it, so you might want to read up on how the Lord corrected the mistake.
Brigham Young - now there was a great man! He is a very prominent man in U.S. history. A Prophet of God. He was bold. He didn’t want the U.S. federal government shoving him and the saints around. He was our kinda guy.
“Our Father in Heaven begat all the spirits that ever were, or ever will be, upon this earth; and they were born spirits in the eternal world. Then the Lord by His power and wisdom organized the mortal tabernacle of man. We were made first spiritual, and afterwards temporal.”
I want my very own planet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYm_mKQ3Gs
Eye has not seen nor ear heard . . .
We will use your standard that if one Prophet says something that does not agree with another Prophet, that church in not a true church.
We will apply your standard to the Bible.
Yes 2 Sam. 24:1
No 1 Chr. 21:1
Does God justify the ungodly?
Yes Rom. 4:5
No Ex. 23:7
Pr. 17:15
Does God punish children for the sins of their fathers?
Yes Ex. 34:7
Due. 5:9
Ex. 20:5
No Ez. 18:20
So, either you have proven that the church based on the Bible is not the true church, or Brother Brigham did the same thing as some other of God's Prophets.
By your standard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUhU0HgTq94&feature=related
“Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing” - These kids are just wonderful. The Holy Spirit is very evident.
Curious about under garments?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaMyU5UWJLc&feature=related
I wouldn’t be too proud to be associated with these folks.
What I find fascinating about a man that contemporary Mormons see as the perfect person to name its most prominent university after, is that Young's "Adam God" sermons happened from the pulpit from 1852 (what P-Marlowe posted here) all the way up to at least June 8, 1873...a span of 21 years!!!
Now, pray tell, anyone want to tell us why 20 years of pulpit sermons by OBAMA's Rev. Wright are worth reviewing and openly criticizing but why Brigham Young's 21 years of pulpit sermons are rarely condemned & denounced? (usually they are only downplayed, shunned or "N/A"-ed...Not Applicable...by LDS).
And just look at the pregnant "richness" of these Young sermons. (I think Rev. Wright and Rev. Young's sermons are BOTH fair game for open review)...starting with two excerpts that P-Marlowe posted that need a careful examination:
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our FATHER andour GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later.
(Well, OK...do all you "professing Christians...hear...and...know it...later?" is indeed Adam your "God and the only God with whom WE have to do?"
When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve...
Did you all hear that? Brigham Young said that Jesus Christ was NOT begotten by the Holy Ghost, but rather by the Father. (In another sermon, Young said, "Now remember from this time forth an for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost...")
Joseph Fielding Smith, a later "prophet" of the LDS Church, echoed Young on this: "Christ not begotten of Holy Ghost...He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).
Now was Brigham's 1852 sermon about Adam-as-the-only-God-with-whom-we-have-to-do just a trial balloon that was quickly shot down by the 'Saints?' (Nope)
Five years later (1857), Young was at it again...albeit he mentioned this time that his previous pronouncements on this subject didn't sit well with a lot of saints. Young said: Some have grumbled because I believe our God to be so near to us as Father Adam. There are many who know that doctrine to be true...Now, if it should happen that we have to pay tribute to Father Adam, what a humilitating circumstance it would be. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 331)
And then again, Brigham "preached" it in 1859: Adam and Eve are the parents of all pertaining to the flesh, and I would not say that they are not also the parents of our spirits. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290)
Hmmm...1859...and Young is now preaching "double negatives" about whether Adam & Eve are "the parents of our spirits." Hmmm...boy, isn't that a strong "I know who the gods are" statement to run in and run out with a quick set up of "I would not say that THEY are not..., eh, P-Marlowe?
And our last stop on the Brigham Young Adam-God tour is June 8, 1873, where according to the Mormon-owned Deseret News, with journalist David W. Evans reporting, it sounds to me like some saints believed Brigham and to their credit, others dismissed his Adam-god fairy tale. But, note, as he was creeping closer to his death...and 27 years after being named the "prophet" he was still stubborn:
How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular DOCTRINE which I revealed to them, AND WHICH GOD REVEALED TO ME--NAMELY THAT ADAM IS OUR FATHER AND GOD...
Now why did Adam come to this earth, Young asked & then answered his own question: ...Father Adam came here and helped to make the earth...he, with the help of his brethren, brought it into existence. Then he said, 'I want my children who are in the spirit world to come and live here. I once dwelt upon an earth something like this, in a mortal state, I was faithful, I received my crown and exaltation. I have the privilege of extending my work, and to its increas there will be no end. I want my children that were born to me in the spirit world to come here and take tabernacles of men... (David W. Evans, "Discourse by President Brigham Young delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Sunday afternoon, June 8, 1873, published in the Deseret News, June 18, 1873).
All I did was post Brigham Young's sermon. Was that comment directed to him?
Did Brigham Young prove the Bible false?
All I did was post this powerful Sermon given by the Mormon Prophet Brigham Young.
Was your comment directed to him?
BTW this prophet seems to state that Adam, brought Eve, one of his wives with him to earth and that Adam is "Our Father and our God."
That seems to be something quite different from the God that Moses met on the Mountain.
I believe God had something to say about Prophets like Brigham Young.
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deuteronomy 13:1-3 KJV)
Thank you for your input.
Did you enjoy the sermon?
You're out of luck Saundra. IIRC, you have to hold the Mormon priesthood to become a God.
Thank you for your input.
Did you like the sermon?
What did you get out of it?
I know when I read it, I got out of... Mormonism.
Thank you for your input.
BTW I think it is helpful when you reference a Bible verse to post the verse. Some people don't have access to bible software at work.
So I will post Acts 20:30.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Acts 20:30 KJV)
Thanks again.
I may post some other sermons by this "Prophet" in the coming days or weeks.
Do you think the Holy Spirit was evident in this sermon by your Prophet Brigham Young?
Or do you think maybe he was possessed of a different spirit?
I think the leader looks more like PM..don't you?
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