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Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter
BREITBART ^ | May 13, 2008

Posted on 05/13/2008 5:45:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.

The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.

As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.

"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.

The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.

In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.

"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."

And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.

Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.


TOPICS: Catholic; Judaism; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: alberteinstein; antitheism; einstein; whereisyourgodnow
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1 posted on 05/13/2008 5:46:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

So then, all this talk about God not rolling dice with the universe was what? Metaphor or crass pandering?


2 posted on 05/13/2008 5:55:20 AM PDT by Jagman (Liberalism is a "progressive" disease)
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To: Alex Murphy
When a scientist can create an atom, then they can talk about faith being childish. And they can use no, pre-existing raw materials. They have to create all the raw materials.
3 posted on 05/13/2008 5:57:41 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Alex Murphy

einstein was an einstein.


4 posted on 05/13/2008 6:05:52 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Gasp! I guess I better stop believing in the God who redeemed me from eternity in Hell.


5 posted on 05/13/2008 6:08:51 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Alex Murphy
the Jews are God's chosen people

They (the Jews) were chosen by God to bring monotheism to the world and to express it in their culture.

That choosing did not impart upon them any other special status (Jews are not better than other peoples). However, it did impart upon them special duties and responsibilities.

It's like God said "I need some volunteers for a tough mission, so I choose the Jews". They fought the mission and came back with medals.

6 posted on 05/13/2008 6:12:55 AM PDT by reg45
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To: Alex Murphy

His genius did not extend outside the field of physics and mathematics.


7 posted on 05/13/2008 6:14:23 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alex Murphy

“the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

Einstein said he was quite religious as a child, and was dismayed when he grew old enough to realize that the Bible was not credible. He said he found it very poingnant that so many people conspired to lead him astray, and that this contributed to his maverick way of thinking.


8 posted on 05/13/2008 6:22:07 AM PDT by onguard
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To: Alouette
Trust me.

9 posted on 05/13/2008 6:24:14 AM PDT by shineon
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To: Alex Murphy
"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable.
It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.
"
[Albert Einstein, 1932]
10 posted on 05/13/2008 6:26:02 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Alex Murphy
Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "

Was this letter faxed from a Kinkos in Texas?

11 posted on 05/13/2008 6:27:16 AM PDT by weegee (Osama Obama claims to have visited 57 states now. Can you say Potatoe Head?)
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To: Alex Murphy

The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God.


12 posted on 05/13/2008 6:33:51 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: DungeonMaster

Genius - ? Now that’s a whole different story. I would like to look up the history of that word.


13 posted on 05/13/2008 6:35:11 AM PDT by shineon
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To: Jagman
Einstein would probably most accurately be called a Deist. He did believe in a Creator, just not in any specific theology.

A Deist would be perfectly comfortable saying such things. Ben Franklin who said in his autobiography that he was a “thorough Deist” also said “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”.

14 posted on 05/13/2008 6:36:39 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: DungeonMaster

Why?


15 posted on 05/13/2008 7:00:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Well, in the end, this reminds me of that saying in regard to another famous atheist:

“God is dead.” - Nietzsche
“Nietzsche is dead.” - God


16 posted on 05/13/2008 7:07:54 AM PDT by ushr435
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To: stuartcr

“The fool in his heart says that there is no God.”
“The fool in his heart says that there is a God.”

Both are null statements.


17 posted on 05/13/2008 7:08:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (She got electric boobs, mohair shoes--you know I read it in a magazine)
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To: Alex Murphy

It should be remembered that Einstein actively promoted socialism.


18 posted on 05/13/2008 7:09:33 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Alex Murphy

19 posted on 05/13/2008 7:12:49 AM PDT by meandog ((please pray for future President McCain, day minus 254 and counting))
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To: Alex Murphy

Not so smart after all.


20 posted on 05/13/2008 7:16:56 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Alex Murphy

The reality is now Enistine knows that he was DEAD wrong about ALL of these statments. Sadly he is also experienceing the consequences of his unbelief: (Luke 16:23-24, 26)


21 posted on 05/13/2008 7:19:53 AM PDT by Jmouse007
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To: aimhigh
I saw a bio of him recently. He was an anti-capitalist who was emotionally flawed.
22 posted on 05/13/2008 7:20:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jagman

“I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” - ALBERT EINSTEIN.


23 posted on 05/13/2008 7:27:57 AM PDT by enduserindy ("The MSM isn’t stupid, it’s just really good at looking surprised." - me, just now.)
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To: ushr435

I love a good story!


24 posted on 05/13/2008 7:40:20 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Einstein knows better now.


25 posted on 05/13/2008 7:46:03 AM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Alex Murphy

The problem for Einstein was that you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to believe in G-d.


26 posted on 05/13/2008 7:50:51 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: enduserindy

So it was more metaphor than crass pandering. Thanks


27 posted on 05/13/2008 7:50:53 AM PDT by Jagman (Liberalism is a "progressive" disease)
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To: stuartcr
Why?

Cuz the bible says so.

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;A good understanding have all those who do His commandments.His praise endures forever.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

28 posted on 05/13/2008 7:53:51 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: tumblindice

What exactly do you mean?


29 posted on 05/13/2008 8:11:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Jagman

“Einstein, stop telling God what to do!” -Niels Bohr


30 posted on 05/13/2008 8:12:21 AM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: DungeonMaster

I know what the bible says, but I was asking why is the fear of God the beginning of wisdom?


31 posted on 05/13/2008 8:15:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Alex Murphy
Einstein's statements are proof of the old adage that genius is not transferable. The man was a brilliant theoretical physicist but his knowledge of other questions was childlike and uninformed.
32 posted on 05/13/2008 8:19:01 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Alex Murphy
Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them

Jesus was a Jew.

33 posted on 05/13/2008 8:29:00 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: DungeonMaster
I reject your fear of God.

I reject the whole 'being tested' hypotheses

I do NOT disbelieve in God....but I don't believe in yours.

34 posted on 05/13/2008 8:54:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: stuartcr

“What exactly do you mean?”

A null statement is not susceptible to logical proof or disproof.

Stating something as fact that is unascertainable is a waste of time: “The Bible says it’s true and the Bible is the word of God, so it must be true.” Or “God does not exist. If He existed, we would know He exists.”
It’s something like `question-begging’ or a circular argument.
As Al or Spinoza might put it, you go with what you know, not what you believe or feel to be true, even if you do risk (as some believe) being boiled in excrement for eternity.


35 posted on 05/13/2008 8:57:16 AM PDT by tumblindice ("Fight for your country." Hector)
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To: Jagman
So then, all this talk about God not rolling dice with the universe was what? Metaphor or crass pandering?

Like his idol Ernst Mach, Einstein was a monist. Monism was popularized in Germany by Ernst Haeckel, but it has deeper roots (Oken). Monism is basically a German form of mystical raving atheism. All that blather about the unity of nature, Goethe, and Spinoza, is typical monist tripe. Ernst Mach even joined Haeckel's monist church and wrote up a particularly embarrassing page about it in his (otherwise mostly excellent) history of mechanics. There is some evidence that Einstein grew out of this as he got older, but it's vague.

36 posted on 05/13/2008 9:05:37 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: tumblindice

ping


37 posted on 05/13/2008 9:07:23 AM PDT by QBFimi2 (Ve are the New World Order; ve bring to the world dis-order. Spike Jones, 1943.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m guessing that he feels differently now.


38 posted on 05/13/2008 9:09:00 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: tumblindice

OK, thanx


39 posted on 05/13/2008 9:11:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Stupid Einstein


40 posted on 05/13/2008 9:13:02 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: quadrant

Yes, but isn’t this knowledge of other questions, really just beliefs?


41 posted on 05/13/2008 9:13:51 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
I know what the bible says, but I was asking why is the fear of God the beginning of wisdom?

Because a person like Einstein ends up being a fool no matter how worldly "smart" he seems. "what good is it to gain the world and lose your soul?"

42 posted on 05/13/2008 9:43:11 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Vaquero
I do NOT disbelieve in God....but I don't believe in yours.

I believe in the God of the bible, "the only true God and Jesus Christ who he has sent".

43 posted on 05/13/2008 9:52:21 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: DungeonMaster

That really doesn’t explain why fearing God is the beginning of wisdom, but thanks.


44 posted on 05/13/2008 9:53:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: DungeonMaster

well we will have to just disagree....

but I do like your Tagline.


45 posted on 05/13/2008 10:03:23 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: stuartcr
That really doesn’t explain why fearing God is the beginning of wisdom, but thanks.

Is it the word fear that is bothering you? I know that really bothers a lot of people. That word is used a lot of times regarding feelings toward or worship of or belief in God.

This may be the first instance in the bible:

Genesis 20:11 And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife.

46 posted on 05/13/2008 10:11:09 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Vaquero
well we will have to just disagree....

There are certainly many Christians that would see that and take it upon themselves to try to share the gospel with you. I suspect you already know it and have rejected it. I think most people already know the gospel and know what they have rejected.

47 posted on 05/13/2008 10:21:38 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: stuartcr
Belief is the glue that holds universe and society together. If Einstein had not believed that the universe understandable, he would not have begun his investigations. If he had not believed that the US offered refuge, he might have remained in Europe.
48 posted on 05/13/2008 11:04:51 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Alex Murphy

who does he think he is, Einstein????


49 posted on 05/13/2008 11:06:30 AM PDT by old-and-old
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To: weegee

>> Was this letter faxed from a Kinkos in Texas?

Actually, Einstein himself emailed it in 1954.


50 posted on 05/13/2008 11:09:33 AM PDT by old-and-old
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