Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System (Open)

Grace To You ^ | Exact date unknown | John F. MacArthur

[e.Shubee]

This is a very strange type of thread with a very provocative title.

The title comes from MacArthur’s audio CD of his publicly distributed message. Just google for "Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System" to see the many hits where the phrase has MacArthur’s name is attached to it.

Usually in the FR RF we post an article that we can all discuss and compare with Scripture "to see if it be so."  

In this instance, I posted a mp3 version of Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System for your listening pleasure.

If you ever have a real thread based on a real sermon or essay to post feel free to ping me. Until then, I don't really understand why you would post something like this.

Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System is an audio recording of a real sermon. How can you get more authentic than that?

[Religion Moderator]

Other poster: I'll continue to believe what actually happened.

You: You haven't even started.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

Reading the minds of other posters is "making it personal."

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Sola fide, sola scriptura, deprecation of Mary, rejection of Holy Eucharist, dismantling of the Old Testament, etc.

"Deprecation of Mary" - what is that supposed to mean, and how does the KJV (presumably apart from other versions) do that? By not elevating Mary to an Isis-like status as "the queen of heaven"? By showing that she needed a Saviour (Luke 1:47) like anyone else, and hence, was not herself "immaculately conceived"? By giving no depiction whatsoever of any "assumption" of Mary into heaven?

I've got news for you - the reason the KJV doesn't teach any of those is because the Greek manuscriptual tradition, as well as every other ancient language version doesn't. The assumption of Mary, her immaculate conception, her status as Queen of Heaven - those are all Catholic dogmas invented at a far later date which have nothing whatsoever to do with Biblical Christian faith.

More on the others later, if I have the time.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

I apologise for making it personal, above. I guess I’m still getting acquainted with the rules on religion discussions, and didn’t think that what I said would count as that.

[uglybiker]

I’m not sure what’s more disturbing. The distortions and hair-splitting or an adult who speaks to other adults and uses the word ‘potty’.

[Religion Moderator]

LOL!

[Uncle Chip]

I didn't get much of anything from your posts, but it's not for lack of trying.

Keep trying -- you will.

[e.Shubee]

The RCC didn't exist until the syncretisation of pagan systems with Christianity, beginning around the time of Constantine in the 4th century.

Not only is your view of history correct, but your observation also agrees with the timeline of church history as presented in The Seven Churches of Revelation. Note especially the symbolic character of the church in the time periods represented by the church at Pergamum and Thyatira.

[Petronski]

...Greek manuscriptual tradition...

Tradition?

Quelle horreur!

[Petronski]

Round and round in circles go your arguments.

I’ll stick with the Truth.

[Petronski]

An accusation that one specific person is brainwashed is not meant to be personal?

[OLD REGGIE]

I think that’s why they hate Catholics, they are afraid of our sheer numbers.

This is a typical juvenile, nonsensical response.

"They" don't hate Catholics. Some do. Some hate Protestants. Do "they" all hate Protestants?

Are you so fearful of the "sheer numbers" of Muslims, which dwarf the numberr of "Catholics", that you hate Muslims?

[OKIEDOC]

Excellent observation.

Comment to thread:

I have no respect for anyone who tries to tear down another Christian religious sect over slight differences as to sprinkle or dip or submerge, dance or not dance, music instruments or not.

Where two or more or three are gathered in my name means nothing to the religious die hard haters enivebtly found in all churches.

The haters who turn up their nose at doing Gods real work of spreading his word.

There is enough Muslims to do that and it may be here sooner than later.

While sitting in a concentration camp waiting for the beheading to begin most Christians will not care whether their fellow Christian prisoner is Catholic or Baptist

[OLD REGGIE]

Remember, of the tweleve Apostles one betrayed, one denied, and only one remained.

And the denier was posthumously made a Pope. Good thing too. He wouldn't accept the position while still alive.

[wagglebee]

And the denier was posthumously made a Pope. Good thing too. He wouldn't accept the position while still alive.

Except that Peter DID accept it from the Lord Himself:

15 When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
-- John 21:15-17

[Petronski]

And the denier was posthumously made a Pope...

Peter was not dead in Matthew 16:18.

[OLD REGGIE]

As far as I am concerned, there isn’t enough time to read everything, so when I select what I can fit into my time, it isn’t hard for me to decide what it is that most benefits me to read, and that is what my own profession of faith offers me.

Good idea! You may be forced to think.

[Petronski]

Peter was dead during that conversation, donchaknow.

[OLD REGGIE]

Except that Peter DID accept it from the Lord Himself:

I need your help. Where, in John 21:15-17 did Peter say anything except "...thou knowest that I love thee." ?

I do see Jesus rebuking Peter one more time, John 21:22, but no offer of "Popeship" to Peter nor acceptance by him.

[OLD REGGIE]

(OLD REGGIE) "And the denier was posthumously made a Pope. Good thing too. He wouldn't accept the position while still alive."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm certain it isn't necessary to explain to you what "posthumously" means. Please educate any hit and run lurkers who may not understand.