Something old, something new... [weddings: Mormon, Christian, Muslim, Hindu]

Evansville Courier & Press ^ | June 7, 2008 | Susan Orr

[colorcountry]

We're not worthyyyyyy

[fproy2222]

Ah, so you are giving me not only permission, but charging that I do something in order to expose the lies of Mormonism?

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Again you mis-state what I said.

I was pointing out how you use this kind of action to mislead and confuse the line of thought.

[greyfoxx39]

Ah, so you are giving me not only permission, but charging that I do something in order to expose the lies of Mormonism?

ROFL at the mormons insisting it was your DUTY to tattle on a member...is it every mormon's duty to do so?

LDS LEADERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ENDOWED WITH "DISCERNMENT" WHEN THEY ARE CALLED TO THEIR LEADERSHIP POSTS! Isn't that correct?

If a bishop can't "discern" who is lying to him, why should someone be expected to tattle?

[colorcountry]

How quickly this thread became a focus on me personally. While it is against the Religion Forum rules I think it is highly enlightening for those investigating Mormonism to be able to see this type of thing first hand and so, I certainly hope it stands for all to see.

[Religion Moderator]

you use this kind of action to mislead and confuse

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

Attributing motives to another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

[delacoert]

With your history as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, you should know that we all (including ex-members) have a responsibility to correct lies like you describe.

Ah, so you are giving me not only permission, but charging that I do something in order to expose the lies of Mormonism?
Again you mis-state what I said. I was pointing out how you use this kind of action to mislead and confuse the line of thought.

The reasoning was straight forward, you just don't like it. Your actions appear to be misled and confused.

[fproy2222]

The MAIN task of the LDS temples...baptism for the dead.

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Good try at a miss-leading thought.

All of God's children are given the opportunity to have all of the ordinances God has declared we need. (yes, that is an ‘s’ as in plural, as in not just one ordnance)

Not just Baptism's for the dead.

Easy information for anyone who wants to know.

[delacoert]

please practice here before you face the anti-Christians.

I make no claim that I am an anti-Christian, so I do not have to engage myself in a mainstreaming strategy.

[sevenbak]

You do understand that Paul and the other apostles went to the temple often after the Death and Resurrection of Christ? The veil of the temple was rent, not as an abandonment of the temple, but as a fulfillment of the Law of Moses.

If Temples were supposed to be done away with after the death of Christ, why does Isaiah prophesy of of the Lords House being built in the last days?

Isaiah 2:2-3

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us ago up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the flaw, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

And it was important enough for the Lord to have the Prophet Micah also testify of it.

Micah 4:1-2
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the claw shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Now one could reasonably argue that it's only referencing the Temple to be built in Jerusalem. One could also reasonably argue that the Law would go froth from Zion AND the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. But either way, there is no repudiation of temples in the last days. The Lord himself has had his ancient servants prophesy of his holy house.

[fproy2222]

I work hard at trying to not make this personal, but I need to correct what I see and know to be mis-leading.

I try very hard to use third person, but because of the number of miss-leading remarks, I sometimes forget.

I should have used ‘this kind of action is used by many to confuse and miss-lead’ instead of “you use this kind of action to mislead and confuse”.

I will work at not making it personal by using first person.

fred

[sevenbak]

Further, the relationship of ancient Christian and Jewish rites have much in common with LDS temple worship.

Here's an excellent work on the comparisons. I'll quote a snip, but it goes in to great detail about the similarities.

“A number of early Jewish and Christian documents deal with elements found in modern LDS temples. As such, they are confirmation of the antiquity of our temple rites.1 The volume of information is such that it will not be possible to discuss all aspects in this brief paper. In addition to some of the articles I have written, I would refer you to the temple research written by such LDS researchers as Hugh Nibley, John M. Lundquist, Donald W. Parry, Stephen D. Ricks, and Matthew B. Brown.

Just as an example, let me note that I have, to date, found fifteen early Christian documents that speak of baptism for the dead, along with several Mandaean and Jewish texts. This information will be included in my article “Baptism for the Dead in Early Christianity,” scheduled for publication later this year in another FARMS temples volume.

The article goes on to examine the relationship and similarities with ancient Christian handclasps, initiation, secret words, prayer circles, passing the angels, being admitted into God's presence, etc.

For those thinking that we are merely copying Masonic rituals, this is a must read.

http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/1999_Early_Christian_and_Jewish_Rituals_Related_to_Temple_Practices.html

[colorcountry]

Mountain? The Temple?

I think Isaiah and Michah are pretty explicit in their prophecy - why must you distort them so? Is it in order to make them be a prophecy of your Mormon Temples?

[fproy2222]

How quickly this thread became a focus on me personally.

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I find it very personal when someone changes what I say into something I did not say.

Please be more careful in your use of what is said.

[delacoert]

The veil of the temple was rent, not as an abandonment of the temple, but as a fulfillment of the Law of Moses.

The veil of the temple was rent to signified that the way into the Holy of Holies was open for all people.

Such a sign is clearly antithetical to temple secrecy.

[sevenbak]

Please answer the question. Why did they prophecy of a temple in the last days if no temples are needed. I know you think this talks of the Jerusalem Temple, but that goes squarely against your post about no temples after Christ.

Please explain.

[colorcountry]

The article goes on to examine the relationship and similarities with ancient Christian handclasps, initiation, secret words, prayer circles, passing the angels, being admitted into God's presence, etc.

And with that passage you have given us a glimpse into what happens in a Mormon Temple - handclasps, initiation, secret words etc.

But where was there ever documented one instance of a baptism of the dead, or a wedding ceremony sealing a couple (or several women to one man) in the Jerulsalem Temple. Please site it with a non-mormon site if you can.

[sevenbak]

See article about Christian temple rights after the death of Christ.

[sevenbak]

sigh. I give up, back to work.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“If Temples were supposed to be done away with after the death of Christ, why does Isaiah prophesy of of the Lords House being built in the last days”

I believe God isn’t done with Israel, His earthly people
yet.

Temples have nothing to do with the Church.

Now the religion of mormonism can believe whatever it wants.
Hindus have temples, why not mormonism? I say, Go For It!

[delacoert]

I find it very personal when someone changes what I say into something I did not say.

Please be more careful in your use of what is said.

Having read this thread from top to bottom, I see little if any alteration of word or meaning. I do see some thin skin now though.

I was wondering, if a thin-skinned poster keeps pinging the RM, do they get just their posts pulled, or do they get the whole thread pulled?