Posted on 07/13/2008 5:12:34 AM PDT by Gamecock
I prefer believing in Santa Claus.
Now ya done posted the doctrine that brings mouth frothing and nose snorting. Keep it up!
There are "elect angels" (1 Tim. 5:21) who clearly were elected on supra-lapsarian grounds since they were not chosen from a mass of angels viewed as fallen, and accordingly there are fallen angels concerning whose redemption no divine efforts have been or will be expended, although they are creatures as much in need of redemption as are fallen men (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6).
Very interesting. And again we see nothing precedes God's creative will.
To say that Christ died for all men alike and that then not all men are saved, to say that Christ died for humanity simply in the mass, and that the choice of those who out of that mass are saved depends upon the greater receptivity of some as compared with others—that is a doctrine that takes from the gospel much of its sweetness and much of its joy. From the cold universalism of that Arminian creed we turn ever again with a new thankfulness to the warm and tender individualism of our Reformed Faith, which we believe to be in accord with God's holy Word. Thank God we can say every one, as we contemplate Christ upon the Cross, not just: "He died for the mass of humanity, and how glad I am that I am amid that mass," but: "He loved me and gave Himself for me; my name was written from all eternity upon His heart, and when He hung and suffered there on the Cross He thought of me, even me, as one for whom in His grace He was willing to die.
This is the real conspiracy. This is the truth of Christ which the dark forces of this world work to conceal -- Christ's personal, specific, redemptive love for His flock, not according to their own efforts, but according to God's good pleasure alone.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." -- Romans 4:4-8"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
All those who “save themselves” will be near apoplexy upon reading this thread. Does it not say “God so loved the world”? Does it not say “God is not willing that any should perish”? Don’t these oft misunderstood verses over ride those explicit teachings of the numerous verses that proclaim God’s choosing of His people? John 1:12 - 13 as example “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
If Christ says He doesn't pray for all the world, but only for those whom God has given Him, then who are we to deny such a distinction exists?
Sadly, many Christians don't realize they are doing the devil's work by believing in unlimited atonement because it actually dumbs down the grace of God into a mere influence, instead of our only means of resuscitation by the Holy Spirit, according to the will of God.
Amen and amen! What a glorious prayer that is, such comfort to the redeemed. “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.”
Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion.
My faith is as good as your faith
Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion.
“My favorite verses supporting particular redemption are those spoken by Christ in John 17.”
One of my favorites as well. Indisputable.
Those who believe like them, and the satin followers.
(There Are Only Two Religions in the Whole World!)(by John G. Reisinger)
Is this also your opinion?
If you are so interested in that article, why don’t you post it and we can discuss said article in it’s totality.
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Just trying to see if you really believe the same as all the authors you post from, or if you just pick and choose the parts you think is right from each of them, and ignore the parts you do not believe in.
They believe there are only two churches, God's church (the one that believes like them) and the rest of the churches belonging to the devil.
Do you also believe like that?
Ping me when you post the article.
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Do you believe there are only two churches, God’s church (the one that believes like you) and the rest of the churches belonging to the devil?
And just what is it I believe?
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That is what I keep asking you.
Your answers make me feel like I am talking to a very left wing politician, who will not give a straight answer to a straight question, and not a "man of God".
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