Posted on 07/18/2008 6:46:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
2. According to Christian "Doctrine", had Adolph Hitler accepted jesus as his Lord and Savior, he too would have been headed for the Pearly Gates. That's an even "nicer" message. That's why deathbed conversions are empty.
3. Those who claim they will go to Heaven because they are born-again are comparable to someone who would walk into a state lottery office and claim winning because they believe they have the true numbers.
It's based upon an imperfect interpretation of a few chapters of one document.
4. I wouldn't share a one floor elevator ride with most people who claim they will be going to Heaven, no less an entire afterlife.
Well, I meant as to moral behavior. Of course these souls cannot rememer the Sabbath, etc.
But there must be good, innocent people who have passed through this world and never heard of Christ. I just can’t see Our Lord damning them to hell.
I have known good, moral, kind, decent agnostics/athiests. They innately reject all the worldliness and sin that Christians reject. I guess Our Lord has damned them by your standards.
And in reality, no one really knows what happens after we die.
I have even different news;
-I don’t believe there is a hell, and no one can prove it either way!!
I had the same experience when I attended a Paul McCartney concert. I had never been to a big rock conert like that. It did look something like worship at an evangelical church.
If you arent redeemed according to the Baptists, youre going to fry in hell for all of eternity.
The meaningful part is redeemed according to the Baptists. There is no comma after redeemed.
This is significant because we all need to be redeemed, but what exactly does that redemption involve? The Bible is our only source of undisputed Apostolic teaching.
Paul clearly writes in 1 Corinthians 3:10a "By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it."
The Baptists are building on the foundation laid by the Apostles. We do not need to be redeemed according to the Baptist view, but to the Apostolic view. Now the Baptists may be in complete agreement with the Apostolic teaching, but only time will tell. 1 Corinthians 3 continues "the fire will test the quality of each man's work."
The Apostles are the foundation, and everything else is built on that foundation. Only foundation is Truth without question. Everyone else's work will be judged with fire.
I think the concept that when we die, we are teleported to another planet called Heaven a bit odd.
How about this for a poem:
I guess ya aren’t expectin’ no resurrection to soon,
World doom.
That story’s got to be bunk about that trumpet tune,
Cheese on the moon.
Well won’t your peepers get the creepers when you realize,
It’s all happening before your eyes.
Oh my, you’ll fry as we wave good bye to you.
— Daniel Amos
Read Romans chapter 1. Paul through the leading of the Holy Spirit gives some insight regarding those outside the hearing of the gospel. It is this thought that helps motivate those who commit their lives to the work of missions.
Noteworthy article. My Pentecostal grandmother refers to the concept of preaching “heaven and hell” as that “old time religion”.
What are the primary doctrinal differences between Baptists and Presbyterians?
Only empty deathbed conversions are empty. The criminal on the cross next to Jesus had a deathbed conversion that seemed to work just fine.
Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
Actually, a Calvinist would more likely tell you that Hitler was predestined to be unregenerate and that he is burning in Hell right now. A "deathbed confession" would not happen unless God willed it to happen. So, yes, they pretty much are empty. None of us (Calvinists) believe we can "fool God", and live lives of debauchery and then cash in our redemption card on our deathbeds. God saves whom He chooses to save.
Ironically, the pilot who wrote the poem died in a mid-air collision with a fellow RAF pilot.
Doesn’t God know when He creates someone, if they are going to live a life that will have no opportunity to hear of Christ? If so, then isn’t that the same as creating someone that is doomed at birth, to go to hell, no matter what?
Only empty deathbed conversions are empty. The criminal on the cross next to Jesus had a deathbed conversion that seemed to work just fine.
Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
Dysmas, or St. Dysmas, if you're a Catholic, was quite possibly unaware of the existence or message of Jesus Christ, giving some semblance of a true deathbed confession upon Christ's message.
Hitler, on the hand, was very much aware of the message of Christ. He was raised a strict Roman Catholic and considered the priesthood.
Two totally situations.
edit/update: in my previous post, I didn't capitalize the name of Jesus. There was no intentional slight. I must proofread a bit more diligently.
That’s why deathbed conversions are empty
Only empty deathbed conversions are empty. The criminal on the cross next to Jesus had a deathbed conversion that seemed to work just fine.
Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Dysmas, or St. Dysmas, if you’re a Catholic, was quite possibly unaware of the existence or message of Jesus Christ, giving some semblance of a true deathbed confession upon hearing Christ’s message.
Hitler, on the hand, was very much aware of the message of Christ. He was raised a strict Roman Catholic and considered the priesthood.
Two totally different situations.
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