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August 15, Feast of the Assumption - Did Mary's Assumption Really Occur? [Ecumenical]
NOR ^ | August 2008 | Hurd Baruch

Posted on 08/15/2008 6:40:23 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Mr Rogers

*8For this Protestant, it just seems likely that if the Assumption HAD occurred, someone would have noticed**

They did notice. Apocryphal accounts


41 posted on 08/15/2008 8:45:34 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Hootowl; xjcsa
At that point, he wrote, “And NO MAN has ASCENDED up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven” (John 3: 13). If one assumes that John did not mean that his use of “man” excluded women, then Mary would not have yet been assumed into heaven and would be at least 105 or 106 years old. Of course, maybe her assumption happened after that.

You are making a very common error trying to make the terms "Ascension" and "Assumption" synonymous, they ARE NOT.

Jesus Christ Ascended into Heaven on HIS OWN POWER.

The Blessed Virgin Mary was assumed into Heaven by her Son through HIS POWER.

42 posted on 08/15/2008 11:51:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

That’s not surprising considering most people don’t know the difference between Virgin Birth and Immaculate Conception.


43 posted on 08/15/2008 12:15:28 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Petronski

2 Tim 3:16, in addition to this you will find throughout the NT that anytime the apostles were teaching they would base their appeal on biblical teaching always refering to scripture, that was the final authority.

God Bless Luther!!


44 posted on 08/15/2008 12:52:39 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Petronski

2 Tim 3:16, in addition to this you will find throughout the NT that anytime the apostles were teaching they would base their appeal on biblical teaching always refering to scripture, that was the final authority.

God Bless Luther!!


45 posted on 08/15/2008 12:52:44 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Salvation; A.A. Cunningham

The Assumption of Mary would be invaluable in proving the Gospel. It seems like it would rate a mention in one of them, or the letters, if it had happened.


46 posted on 08/15/2008 1:31:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Old, pale and stale - McCain in 2008! but we're only one vote away from losing the 2nd amendment...)
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To: Mr Rogers
For this Protestant, it just seems likely that if the Assumption HAD occurred, someone would have noticed. Her assumption would have occurred well before much of the NT was written, and it seems like it would be a significant event...

To much "assuming" on an "assumption" going on. Also, too many "assertions" of things without any proof behind them. I'm from Missouri, the "show me" state - so, "show me" that assertions are proof of anything. This should be a question any Protestant should ask when assumptions or assertions are made to prove beliefs.

47 posted on 08/15/2008 2:52:34 PM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: Jaded
That’s not surprising considering most people don’t know the difference between Virgin Birth and Immaculate Conception.

Hmmm...Jesus was the result of an Immaculate Conception! No "man" fathered him. Virgin birth refers to a woman who never knew a man to conceive her child - thus, a Virgin giving birth to a baby. :-)

48 posted on 08/15/2008 3:00:55 PM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
2 Tim 3:16 does not say sola scriptura, not in letter nor in spirit.
49 posted on 08/15/2008 4:18:46 PM PDT by Petronski (The God of Life will condemn the Chinese government. Laogai means GULAG.)
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To: wagglebee

Very beautiful.


50 posted on 08/15/2008 5:31:27 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: DungeonMaster

**Pure debate bait.**

Don’t question it FRiend, there are thousands of artists depictions of the event. Never mind the blue or brown eyes, the blond or brown hair (only her hairdresser knows for sure), the various colors of the garments, and the difference age (usually looking 30something, but sometimes younger or older).

And the Lord is always shown with long hair, yet was never mentioned in Scripture as following the Nazarite vow (Samson, John the baptist).


51 posted on 08/15/2008 5:48:40 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Compare the images of Jesus from "Christ the Pantocrator" Icon in St. Catherine in Sinai 6th century.

52 posted on 08/15/2008 6:01:29 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
St. Maria de Travestere

I didn't notice it earlier, but don't you mean Trastevere?

54 posted on 08/15/2008 8:53:15 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NYer
MARY: MOTHER OF GOD OR MOTHER OF CHRIST?

"...the religious climate of the city of Ephesus with its temple of Artemis and the worship of this “Great Mother,” originally “the virgin goddess,” became conducive to replacing the pagan Artemis with the Christian Mary. It would be a way to merge paganism into Christianity and would facilitate the conversion of pagans into the new faith and religion..."

55 posted on 08/15/2008 11:52:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

From the RM’s page:

Ecumenic threads are closed to antagonism.

To antagonize is to incur or to provoke hostility in others.

Unlike the “caucus” threads, the article and reply posts of an “ecumenic” thread can discuss more than one belief, but antagonism is not tolerable.

More leeway is granted to what is acceptable in the text of the article than to the reply posts. For example, the term “gross error” in an article will not prevent an ecumenical discussion, but a poster should not use that term in his reply because it is antagonistic. As another example, the article might be a passage from the Bible which would be antagonistic to Jews. The passage should be considered historical fact and a legitimate subject for an ecumenic discussion. The reply posts however must not be antagonistic.

Contrasting of beliefs or even criticisms can be made without provoking hostilities. But when in doubt, only post what you are “for” and not what you are “against.” Or ask questions.

Ecumenical threads will be moderated on a “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” basis. When hostility has broken out on an “ecumenic” thread, I’ll be looking for the source.

Therefore “anti” posters must not try to finesse the guidelines by asking loaded questions, using inflammatory taglines, gratuitous quote mining or trying to slip in an “anti” or “ex” article under the color of the “ecumenic” tag.

Posters who try to tear down other’s beliefs or use subterfuge to accomplish the same goal are the disrupters on ecumenic threads and will be booted from the thread and/or suspended.

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FYI, this is an ecumenical thread.


58 posted on 08/16/2008 1:59:19 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God.

It is really quite simple logic which has been understood for millenia.

59 posted on 08/16/2008 3:57:42 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Yes, typing too darn fast. I corrected it later.


60 posted on 08/16/2008 5:01:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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