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The Emerging Global 'Church'
Kjos Ministries ^ | August, 2005 | Berit Kjos

Posted on 08/17/2008 11:05:43 PM PDT by epow

"The first Reformation was about beliefs. This one needs to be about behavior.… We’ve had a Reformation; what we need now is a transformation." [1] Rick Warren

"The transition... to a culture of peace is a process of individual, collective and institutional transformation."[2] UNESCO Culture of Peace Programme

"Citizenship for the next century is learning to live together. The 21st Century city will be a city of social solidarity.... We have to redefine the words... [and write a new] social contract." [3] Federico Mayor, former head of UNESCO.

"A sea change of transitions and transformations is birthing a whole new world," wrote Dr. Leonard Sweet, whose books are often quoted in Rick Warren's Ministry Toolbox . "God is birthing the greatest spiritual awakening in the history of the church.... Are you going to show up."[4]

If you love truth, you may want to say no! For in his book Soul Tsunami, Dr. Sweet, a popular leader of the Emerging Church, tells us to flow with the currents of change and leave God's unchanging gospel behind. "Postmodern culture is a change-or-be changed world," he continues. "Reinvent yourself for the 21st century or die. Some would rather die than change." [4]

(Excerpt) Read more at crossroad.to ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: antichrist; globalism; purposedriven; tribulation; warren
Rick Warren is a globalist. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, an organization that plans a global religion to help create the one world state they have worked to establish for decades. Warren's P.E.A.C.E. initiative is all about cooperating with the UN to work in 3rd world nations to end the AIDS epidemic, but IMHO reading between the lines indicates that it's other unannounced purpose is to bring all nations and religions into one false global "Christian" religion under one dictatorial globalist government. Does that sound like anything you may have read about in the book of Revelation?
1 posted on 08/17/2008 11:05:43 PM PDT by epow
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To: epow
More about Warren's P.E.A.C.E. HERE
2 posted on 08/17/2008 11:11:55 PM PDT by epow ("Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.")
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To: epow

The ecumenical deception continues.


3 posted on 08/17/2008 11:14:54 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: epow

“But he who stands firm to the end shall be saved.”

Place no hope in the flesh. Be ready for persecution, because it is coming. The morning sky is red, and the storm clouds gather on the horizon. And pray, pray, pray.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 11:20:14 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: epow
Does that sound like anything you may have read about in the book of Revelation?

Yep. The 'lukewarm' Laodician church.

5 posted on 08/17/2008 11:45:55 PM PDT by Mogollon ($5/gal Gas....Kick the Jacka$$es Out!)
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To: epow

This guy is truley preaching and teaching another Christ


6 posted on 08/18/2008 12:27:51 AM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom)
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To: epow

it is nice to see other freepers not fawning over Purpose Driven strife guy.


7 posted on 08/18/2008 1:00:30 AM PDT by Liberty2007 (Here's Dr. Savage's analysis on the POTUS race"The Afro-Leninist vs The Sarcophagus)
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To: epow
What's the big deal? Pastors like Warren and Osteen are just the latest in a long line of American hucksters who are making big (tax-free!) bucks off Je$u$. After all, He's the biggest brand in the world, amirite?

From where I stand, these megachurch Midases are not so much False Prophets as they are theological versions of Ray Kroc — franchise operators selling self-centered spiritual fast food to suburban Christians who are (unknowingly) desperate for a taste of the True Bread.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 1:42:11 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Lexinom
Amen. Pray we must.

These one world religion fluffs who think they are going to be big shots when it all pans out ought to consider that the Marxist, atheistic regime of China has been working double-overtime to control and dominate the western economy and may well be calling the shots as the one world government gathers strength. China could pull the plug on us at any moment--they don't care for their own and they certainly could care less about us--they just want power and money (I'm referring to the government, not the Chinese people many of whom are oppressed by the regime). The regime kills their own, if they profess Christ and don't go along with the system; I'm not sure what all this means, but we better all cling to Christ and profess faith in him til the end and "Be ready for persecution" for the sake of the Gospel.

"Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." (John 14:1-3).

9 posted on 08/18/2008 3:26:01 AM PDT by koinonia ("Thou art bought with the blood of God... Be the companion of Christ." -St. Ephraim)
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To: epow; Alex Murphy; pby; Huber; Terriergal
The Global Ambition of Rick Warren
Interfaith 'cooperation' at Saddleback (Warren Alert)
There you go, again, Rick Warren!
Rick Warren called 'enabler and defender' of evil
Evangelicals a Liberal Can Love (RICK WARREN JIM WALLIS ETC)
How to Handle Opposition (Rick Warren barf alert)
Rick Warren Teams Up With New Age Propenent
**Rick Warren, Evangelicals, Invite Muslims to Love God Together**
Warren’s Use of Scripture is No Laughing Matter
Rick Warren, Purpose-Driven Pornography?
Rick Warren: Is he or isn't he? [Warren's membership in the Council on Foreign Relations]
10 posted on 08/18/2008 3:48:12 AM PDT by Gamecock (The truth of Christianity does not hinge on my personal experience.)
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To: B-Chan
From where I stand, these megachurch Midases are not so much False Prophets as they are theological versions of Ray Kroc

I'm afraid it goes much deeper than that. Of course money has a strong allure for a religious leader who likes living the so-called "good life" and/or wants to make waves on the world scene, but IMHO these Warren-type leaders of fast growing mega-churches have a more disturbing goal in mind than merely becoming wealthy and famous. After all, since Warren's books have become best sellers and earned him millions he has given back to the Saddleback church all of the salary that he was paid since he became pastor and no longer accepts a salary or reimbursement for expenses. Of course that money is probably chickenfeed compared to the money coming in from the sale of several million books.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I think Warren is dead wrong in his idea of spreading the gospel worldwide by ecumenism, (by which I mean creating alliances with religions other than Christianity, not necessarily protestants with Catholics) and cooperation with globalist organizations such as the CFR and the UN. I don't want to accuse him of being a false Christian or even a real Christian who is unknowingly advancing Satan's agenda for the soon to appear Antichrist and his False Prophet sidekick. But I do think that it is very possible that he and other popular megachurch leaders like him are being used by sinister spiritual powers who see them and their non-traditional type of pop culture "ministry" as a means of helping establish the prophesied end time global false "church" that Jesus Christ will destroy at His second coming.

Actually, I'm having a lot of trouble putting into words my uneasy feelings about Warren and other modern megachurch "leaders" of his general type. I just have an uncomfortable feeling about him and a few others that I can't really explain, but which I believe may possibly, and I stress "possibly", be the Holy Spirit ringing a fire alarm bell in my mind and heart.

I may be wrong about Pastor Warren and his type, and it may be due to my upbringing. I come from a long line of old-time fire and brimstone Baptist preachers and itinerant horseback evangelists who planted churches and preached to settlers in the 19th century Florida wilderness, and who had a powerful influence on the beliefs of my entire family and through them on down to me. And I suppose that may be why I have a built-in suspicion of anything claiming to be a Christian ministry that runs counter to that influence.

11 posted on 08/18/2008 6:59:43 AM PDT by epow ("Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.")
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I see this occurring completely the opposite of what this article suggests. Many believers are running from the mega-church and returning to an organic expression of Christianity that meets in homes rather than huge warehouse sized buildings, that expresses Christ through every believer rather than a professional clergy.

The church in China is a good example, and I expect this trend to expand and gain greater significance.


12 posted on 08/18/2008 7:09:10 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: epow

I have no strong opinion on Mr. Warren or his ilk but I do believe that peaceniks are mistaken in their quest for world peace. Peace is a side effect of many other factors, one of the most important of which is righteous living. It is a gift of God when we deserve it. When the ultimate goal is peace, then the so-called peacemakers can only achieve their goal by kowtowing to those who don’t want peace except on their terms. Make no mistake, Chicoms, radical Muslim groups, environmentalists and others will gladly grant us peace if we will but do their bidding.


13 posted on 08/18/2008 7:21:36 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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Make no mistake, Chicoms, radical Muslim groups, environmentalists and others will gladly grant us peace if we will but do their bidding.

So you're saying we can have peace if we will just convert to Islam or accept the yoke of dhimmihood from the Muslims, or adopt Marxist Communism under Chinese rule, or allow the environmentalist whack jobs to take over the country and force us live like primitive Native Americans lived 1000 years ago?

Thanks for the gracious offer folks, but no thanks.

True peace means peace with Jehovah God, and that peace was purchased by His only Son Jesus Christ on a Roman cross 2000 years ago, not by Karl Marx, Mao tse-Tung, or the Sierra Club, and certainly not by a demon called Allah or his goat herder prophet Mohammed.

14 posted on 08/18/2008 10:47:04 AM PDT by epow (Condescending people really annoy me. (condescending means talking down to))
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You got it. Although I should have pointed out that any “peace” which comes from appeasement is temporary at best. Mankind is too much like their Father to stay happily in slavery, even at the cost of peace. Mankind may be fallen but we also have within us the seeds of deity and therefore rebel against dhimmitude and other forms of oppression. Eventually the peace would depart and the cycle of protest, revolution, wars and appeasement keeps on turning.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 11:09:13 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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