There are angels on earth as well...There is nothing in the scriptures that suggest angels in heaven can hear us...
All we ask Saints is to pray for us - are we commanded to pray for each other? Further, we know that the prayer of the righteous is especially powerful. Who is more righteous than those who are with God? If a Catholic posts: "Blessed Mother, please bring all peoples to your Son, Amen" the request she pray to God for that objective is implicit in that entreatment (prayer).
This is the argument you guys always use when accused of praying to Mary...
But what's funny is that some of the Catholics (on FR) deny praying to Mary while others (you) admit to praying to Mary and add justification...
I don't have a problem with you guys asking Mary or Heinrich Himmler (a Catholic) to pray for you...
What I and a few others object to is you guys kneeling to statues of Mary and asking her to send you some of God's grace...Or asking a 'Saint' to sell your house for you or to keep you safe on the highway...
AS we all know, there is a large element in your religion who are pushing to make Mary the 4th part of the Trinity...I'd say you guys are just a step away from it...
Therefore, if the departed Faithful are alive in Christ and are in Heaven, and if the prayer of the righteous is especially powerful, why would you know ask the especially righteous in Heaven to entreat God on your behalf?
There is no one in heaven who is more righteous than a born-again Christian on earth...
Psalm 103:
19 The LORD'S throne is established in heaven; God's royal power rules over all.
20 Bless the LORD, all you angels, mighty in strength and attentive, obedient to every command.
21 Bless the LORD, all you hosts, ministers who do God's will.
22 Bless the LORD, all creatures, everywhere in God's domain. Bless the LORD, my soul!
God's throne is established in Heaven. It is one part of His domain. The Psalmist is commanding creatures EVERYWHERE in His domain - not just the earthly realm.
Psalm 148:
1 Hallelujah! Praise the LORD from the heavens; give praise in the heights.
2 Praise him, all you angels; give praise, all you hosts.
Praise the LORD from the heavens, but the heavens cannot hear us? Interesting.
But what's funny is that some of the Catholics (on FR) deny praying to Mary while others (you) admit to praying to Mary and add justification...
Because the way many on this forum define "prayer" is a moving target. All Catholics would agree we "pray" to Saints, when "prayer" is understood to mean "ask." When some say, "No! Prayer is Worship!", then we (rightfully) admit that we do not "pray" to Saint, when "prayer" means "worship." When we bring in Latin terms clearly drawing the distinctions, we are accused of doublespeak. English is an awful language for theological discussion - German and Latin work much better.
I don't have a problem with you guys asking Mary or Heinrich Himmler (a Catholic) to pray for you...
The Nazi card? How insightful.
AS we all know, there is a large element in your religion who are pushing to make Mary the 4th part of the Trinity...I'd say you guys are just a step away from it...
Show me where any Catholic states Mary is equal to God - not what YOU think Catholics are saying. Again, English is a terrible language for theological discussion; the prefix co- is derived from the Latin, cum, meaning "with." Find any Latin dictionary for support.
There is no one in heaven who is more righteous than a born-again Christian on earth...
Ahh, pride. May God have mercy on me, a sinner. I did not post this response for you, since this has been discussed with you by countless people, but I hope some lurkers on these threads may understand the Church.