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An Anti-Abortion Catholic Supports Obama--Here's Why (Barf Alert)
Dallas Morning News ^ | 10/3/08 | Bruce Tomaso

Posted on 10/04/2008 10:46:32 AM PDT by bdeaner

Nicholas P. Cafardi, a law professor and former law school dean at Duquesne University, a Catholic school in Pittsburgh, writes that as a Catholic, he is staunchly opposed to abortion.

Pic of Cafardi:



In fact, he calls it "an unspeakable evil."

But he's voting for Barack Obama.

Here is Cafardi on the topic of abortion:

"Obama's support for abortion rights has led some to the conclusion that no Catholic can vote for him. That's a mistake. While I have never swayed in my conviction that abortion is an unspeakable evil, I believe that we have lost the abortion battle -- permanently. A vote for Sen. John McCain does not guarantee the end of abortion in America. Not even close.

Let's suppose Roe v. Wade were overturned. What would happen? The matter would simply be kicked back to the states -- where it was before 1973. Overturning Roe would not abolish abortion. It would just mean that abortion would be legal in some states and illegal in others. The number of abortions would remain unchanged as long as people could travel."

(Excerpt) Read more at religionblog.dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; cafardi; catholic; obama
Email for Professor Cafardi: cafardi@duq.edu
1 posted on 10/04/2008 10:46:33 AM PDT by bdeaner
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To: bdeaner

This guy belongs with the Defeatocrats.


2 posted on 10/04/2008 10:51:45 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: bdeaner

Sorry I say liar. You cannot believe that abortion is an unspeakable evil and vote for Barry.


3 posted on 10/04/2008 10:54:31 AM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: bdeaner
"The strength of a nation springs from the value of human life, dignity and civil rights in every stage, from the womb to the tomb."

-- Alveda C. King (niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.)
4 posted on 10/04/2008 10:55:06 AM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner

That’s a strange rationale. We can’t do anything about it? Yet he wants to vote for a guy who voted for killing newborns - when everybody else was voting for a law that would stop this? Of course abortion is not going to end overnight, and it will be a step by step thing (such as a law protecting children born alive).

But with Barry, Mr. Death himself, you’ve guaranteed that there will be absolutely no changes and in fact things will probably get worse (I’m expecting the removal of conscience clauses that protect Catholic (and other) health professionals).


5 posted on 10/04/2008 10:58:51 AM PDT by livius
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To: bdeaner; cpforlife.org
"In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand, speaking through her character John Galt


Strange days indeed, when you can get a better moral compass from an atheist than you can from the Dean of the Law School at a Catholic University.
6 posted on 10/04/2008 11:03:20 AM PDT by shibumi (...vampire outlaw of the milky way...)
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To: livius
Cafardi fails to understand that, ethically, one's stance on abortion and pro-life issues are foundational for any ethical system. Therefore, anyone who is opposed to the pro-life ethical position is, by default, living a morally corrupt ethical system which is intrinsically opposed to everything the Catholic Church stands for. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate is not an option for a true Catholic. He would be better off writing in a candidate, or staying home, rather than vote for someone who has a history of supporting something that is intrinsically evil.

THe other issues he mentions, such as the war, are not intrinsic evils, according to the ethics of the Church, although there is a good case that the war in the Middle East is not a just war, ethically. But that is debatable and not foundation for one's who ethical system.

As for the issue of poverty, there is a good conservative argument, of course, that the liberal welfare system has done far more harm than good for poor people, and that conservative initiatives, like No Child Left Behind, has done far more good for minorities and the poor. These issues, from within Catholic ethics, are debatable, but do not hinge on an act of murder that is, without question, intrinsically wrong and evil -- that is, never justified by its ends, ever.
7 posted on 10/04/2008 11:09:42 AM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner
"Doogie" Cafardi.

Thinks he knows sooooooo much just because his Mommy and Daddy paid for his PhD.

8 posted on 10/04/2008 11:11:34 AM PDT by hunter112 (Gov. Palin is ten times the woman Hillary could've hoped to be, if she had stayed a "Goldwater Girl")
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To: bdeaner

Who is this man’s bishop?


9 posted on 10/04/2008 11:28:26 AM PDT by frogjerk (VOTE NO!)
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To: bdeaner

He is a college professor AND a lawyer. Who would expect anything better from him then his support of Obama???


10 posted on 10/04/2008 11:29:08 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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To: frogjerk
Rev. David A. Zubik, Bishop of the Diocese of Pittsburgh.

Diocese of Pittsburgh, 111 Blvd. of the Allies, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 412.456.3000
11 posted on 10/04/2008 12:12:08 PM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

12 posted on 10/04/2008 12:15:11 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: bdeaner

Duquesne is Catholic in name only.It is no more Catholic than Georgetown.


13 posted on 10/04/2008 12:15:13 PM PDT by ardara
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To: beethovenfan

Obama Doesn’t Want His Daughters Punished with a Baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg

CNN on Obama’s Infant Born Alive Act Rejection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

Jill Stanek on Obama and Born Alive Infant Protection Act (MUST SEE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

Obama Cover-up Revealed On Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

Babies left to die!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exxVZTKq1vA

See also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4 for a really good 10 minute video about the problem.

Demoncrats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs


14 posted on 10/04/2008 12:15:37 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: ardara
Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

15 posted on 10/04/2008 12:15:49 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses

Great post!As things stand now the Catholic vote is going to defeat Obama in Ohio and Pennsylvania.The Obama people are scraping the bottom for Catholic shills.


16 posted on 10/04/2008 12:21:44 PM PDT by ardara
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To: ardara
Duquesne is Catholic in name only.

Not if this guy can help it:



Charles J. Dougherty
President, Duquesne University
17 posted on 10/04/2008 12:27:10 PM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner

What has Dougherty done to really make the college Catholic.Is he pro-life?


18 posted on 10/04/2008 12:53:50 PM PDT by ardara
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To: ardara

Yes, Dougherty is pro-life, but more than that — he has been very vocal about emphasizing the Catholic identity of the school on many different levels. Strongly promoting and encouraging the hiring of Catholic faculty. Moved to prevent a gay and lesbian organization from forming on campus. Defended and protected a student who spoke out against homosexuality on campus, who was almost subject to disciplinary action before the intervention. Initiated a conference on the philosophy of Pope John Paul II. Etc. etc. Ask faculty there, and they will tell you how much they are wringing their hands over him!


19 posted on 10/04/2008 1:03:37 PM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner
Abortion is so unspeakable that we won't speak of it. Otherwise, Obama is such a fine man that he just deserves what the nation wants to bestow. I know, I know, there is that Wright thing. Oh, yes, and the Rezko...and Ayers...well, truth be told, no one can be as bad as they talk of Rezko. Indeed, Ayeres...well...if I knew him at the time, I'm sure we would have been soul mates.

I know, I know, he wants to tax the bejeebers out of the drug companies and the oil men. Who doesn't? We'll teach those clowns to provide more drugs and oil...or else!

There is just so much right about the guy. I don't see how you can be a Catholic and not support him!!!

If you say these things often enough they have to start making some sense.

20 posted on 10/04/2008 1:48:09 PM PDT by stevem
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To: bdeaner

” I believe that we have lost the abortion battle — permanently.”

I’m soooo glad this character isn’t a commander of men in Iraq/Afghanistan!!!


21 posted on 10/04/2008 2:30:39 PM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: GWMcClintock

Another cheese-eating surrender monkey.


22 posted on 10/04/2008 2:35:41 PM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner

I will offer my Holy Communion for his immortal soul this Sunday


23 posted on 10/04/2008 2:58:17 PM PDT by veritas2002
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To: svcw

Absolutely... if this guy is anti abortion he simply cannot or should not vote for this guy.


24 posted on 10/04/2008 3:02:12 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: veritas2002
I will offer my Holy Communion for his immortal soul this Sunday

Great idea. I will join you in that gesture.
25 posted on 10/04/2008 3:03:01 PM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: GWMcClintock
I believe that we have lost the abortion battle -- permanently.

With the advancement of Roberts and Alito onto the Supreme Court, how can he say we've lost the abortion battle?

Nothing worse than a Catholic who has no conviction!!!

Damned coward.

26 posted on 10/04/2008 3:05:33 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: bdeaner

Dear Professor Cafardi,

Here is why you are wrong.


At the direction of the Most Reverend Bishop, this letter is to be read by the celebrant at all Masses of Obligation on Respect Life Weekend, Saturday, October 4, and Sunday, October 5, at the time of and instead of the homily.
Moreover, a copy of the letter should be circulated with all parish bulletins on this same weekend.

A PASTORAL LETTER FROM BISHOP MARTINO
Respect Life Sunday

My brothers and sisters in Christ,

The American Catholic bishops initiated Respect Life Sunday in 1972, the year before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in the United States. Since that time, Catholics across the country observe the month of October with devotions and pro-life activities in order to advance the culture of life. This October, our efforts have more significance than ever. Never have we seen such abusive criticism directed toward those who believe that life begins at conception and ends at natural death.

As Catholics, we should not be surprised by these developments. Forty years ago, Pope Paul VI predicted that widespread use of artificial contraceptives would lead to increased marital infidelity, lessened regard for women, and a general lowering of moral standards especially among the young. Forty years later, social scientists, not necessarily Catholics, attest to the accuracy of his predictions. As if following some bizarre script, the sexual revolution has produced widespread marital breakdown, weakened family ties, legalized abortion, sexually transmitted diseases, pornography, same-sex unions, euthanasia, destruction of human embryos for research purposes and a host of other ills.

It is impossible for me to answer all of the objections to the Church’s teaching on life that we hear every day in the media. Nevertheless, let me address a few. To begin, laws that protect abortion constitute injustice of the worst kind. They rest on several false claims including that there is no certainty regarding when life begins, that there is no certainty about when a fetus becomes a person, and that some human beings may be killed to advance the interests or convenience of others. With regard to the first, reason and science have answered the question. The life of a human being begins at conception. The Church has long taught this simple truth, and science confirms it. Biologists can now show you the delicate and beautiful development of the human embryo in its first days of existence. This is simply a fac t that reasonable people accept. Regarding the second, the embryo and the fetus have the potential to do all that an adult person does. Finally, the claim that the human fetus may be sacrificed to the interests or convenience of his mother or someone else is grievously wrong. All three claims have the same result: the weakest and most vulnerable are denied, because of their age, the most basic protection that we demand for ourselves. This is discrimination at its worst, and no person of conscience should support it.

Another argument goes like this: “As wrong as abortion is, I don’t think it is the only relevant ‘life’ issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote.” This reasoning is sound only if other issues carry the same moral weight as abortion does, such as in the case of euthanasia and destruction of embryos for research purposes. Health care, education, economic security, immigration, and taxes are very important concerns. Neglect of any one of them has dire consequences as the recent financial crisis demonstrates. However, the solutions to problems in these areas do not usually involve a rejection of the sanctity of human life in the way that abortion does. Being “right” on taxes, education, health care, immigration, and the economy fai ls to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life. Consider this: the finest health and education systems, the fairest immigration laws, and the soundest economy do nothing for the child who never sees the light of day. It is a tragic irony that “pro-choice” candidates have come to support homicide – the gravest injustice a society can tolerate – in the name of “social justice.”

Even the Church’s just war theory has moral force because it is grounded in the principle that innocent human life must be protected and defended. Now, a person may, in good faith, misapply just war criteria leading him to mistakenly believe that an unjust war is just, but he or she still knows that innocent human life may not be harmed on purpose. A person who supports permissive abortion laws, however, rejects the truth that innocent human life may never be destroyed. This profound moral failure runs deeper and is more corrupting of the individual, and of the society, than any error in applying just war criteria to particular cases.

Furthermore, National Right to Life reports that 48.5 million abortions have been performed since 1973. One would be too many. No war, no natural disaster, no illness or disability has claimed so great a price.

In saying these things in an election year, I am in very good company. My predecessor, Bishop Timlin, writing his pastoral letter on Respect Life Sunday 2000, stated the case eloquently:

Abortion is the issue this year and every year in every campaign. Catholics may not turn away from the moral challenge that abortion poses for those who seek to obey God’s commands. They are wrong when they assert that abortion does not concern them, or that it is only one of a multitude of issues of equal importance. No, the taking of innocent human life is so heinous, so horribly evil, and so absolutely opposite to the law of Almighty God that abortion must take precedence over every other issue. I repeat. It is the single most important issue confronting not only Catholics, but the entire electorate.

My fellow bishops, writing ten years ago, explained why some evils – abortion and euthanasia in particular – take precedence over other forms of violence and abuse.

The failure to protect life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community. If we understand the human person as ‘the temple of the Holy Spirit’ – the living house of God – then these latter issues fall logically into place as the crossbeams and walls of that house. All direct attacks on innocent human life, such as abortion and euthanasia, strike at the house’s foundation [emphasis in the original]. These directly and immediately violate the human person’s most fundamental right – the right to life. Neglect of these issues is the equivalent of building our house on sand. Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics, 23.& nbsp;

While the Church assists the State in the promotion of a just society, its primary concern is to assist men and women in achieving salvation. For this reason, it is incumbent upon bishops to correct Catholics who are in error regarding these matters. Furthermore, public officials who are Catholic and who persist in public support for abortion and other intrinsic evils should not partake in or be admitted to the sacrament of Holy Communion. As I have said before, I will be vigilant on this subject.

It is the Church’s role now to be a prophet in our own country, reminding all citizens of what our founders meant when they said that “. . . all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” The Church’s teaching that all life from conception to natural death should be protected by law is founded on religious belief to be sure, but it is also a profoundly American principle founded on reason. Whenever a society asks its citizens to violate its own foundational principles – as well as their moral consciences – citizens have a right, indeed an obligation, to refuse.

In 1941, Bishop Gustave von Galen gave a homily condemning Nazi officials for murdering mentally ill people in his diocese of Muenster, Germany. The bishop said:

“Thou shalt not kill!” God wrote this commandment in the conscience of man long before any penal code laid down the penalty for murder, long before there was any prosecutor or any court to investigate and avenge a murder. Cain, who killed his brother Abel, was a murderer long before there were any states or any courts or law. And he confessed his deed, driven by his accusing conscience: “My punishment is greater than I can bear. . . and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me the murderer shall slay me” (Genesis 4:13-14)”

Should he have opposed the war and remained silent about the murder of the mentally ill? No person of conscience can fail to understand why Bishop von Galen spoke as he did.

My dear friends, I beg you not to be misled by confusion and lies. Our Lord, Jesus Christ, does not ask us to follow him to Calvary only for us to be afraid of contradicting a few bystanders along the way. He does not ask us to take up his Cross only to have us leave it at the voting booth door. Recently, Pope Benedict XVI said that “God is so humble that he uses us to spread his Word.” The gospel of life, which we have the privilege of proclaiming, resonates in the heart of every person – believer and non-believer – because it fulfills the heart’s most profound desire. Let us with one voice continue to speak the language of love and affirm the right of every human being to have the value of his or her life, from conception to natural death, respected to the highest degree.

October is traditionally the month of the Rosary. Let us pray the Rosary for the strength and fortitude to uphold the truths of our faith and the requirements of our law to all who deny them. And, let us ask Our Lady to bless our nation and the weakest among us.

May Mary, the mother of Jesus, the Lord of Life, pray for us.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Most Reverend Joseph F. Martino, D.D., Hist. E.D.
Bishop of Scranton


27 posted on 10/04/2008 3:10:00 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Repentance is a contract with God for a second life - St. John Climacus)
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To: bdeaner

I don’t see how Cafardi can conclude that it’s OK to vote for pro-abortion politicians, especially for the reasons he gives. According to the Catholic bishops, while “one may vote for a politician who supports pro-abortion policies’only for truly grave moral reasons,’ a conscientious voter must question what grave moral issue rises to the level of nearly 49 million lives lost to the evil of abortion.” (See “Conscience and the Catholic Voter,” at http://www.usccb.org/prolife/programs/rlp/loripamphlet.pdf)


28 posted on 10/04/2008 3:27:53 PM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: bdeaner

“I believe that we have lost the abortion battle — permanently.”

I believe that we have lost the slavery battle —permanently.

Whatta moron. Doesn’t he know how dumb this argument is?

Freegards


29 posted on 10/04/2008 4:00:09 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Northern Yankee

I guessing he’s a Democrat too—cut and run in Iraq, remember?


30 posted on 10/04/2008 4:18:24 PM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: bdeaner
And here's what the Bishops say about his ilk:

(56 have spoken out, but I have links for far less than that!)

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  19. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"
  25. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn: "Judging the Candidates"

{Last updated on September 10th.}

Notes:

  • Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
  • Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
  • #26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th

31 posted on 10/04/2008 8:21:07 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

They have been given orders from on high.


32 posted on 10/04/2008 8:29:38 PM PDT by bdeaner ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
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To: bdeaner; narses
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


33 posted on 10/05/2008 3:23:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: bdeaner
He opposes the Teaching of Jesus Christ:

From the article this dingy professor states:

I believe that we have lost the abortion battle -- permanently.

Jesus stated otherwise -- in a number of places -- but the key place is that Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.

This professor is casting his lot with Satan quite clearly.

He has also despaired about about abortion -- which is also a sin.

He needs to get some help -- especially for his soul...

34 posted on 10/05/2008 9:21:49 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher

Very good point. This man has sold out in a way that truly endangers his soul. We can only pray that he gains insight.


35 posted on 10/05/2008 10:25:34 AM PDT by bdeaner
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